Driver styles/preferences

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The level of precision where?
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raymondu999 wrote:Rosberg vs Vettel in Singapore 2013 Quali. Rosberg always takes a more circular line, and Vettel seems to go for a later apex on most corners.
http://player.vimeo.com/video/75111724? ... lor=ff9933
It is interesting that Rosberg adjusts his brake bias 4 times and Vettel doesn't - unless his is a thumb wheel on the steering wheel?
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Gaz. wrote:unless his is a thumb wheel on the steering wheel?
I don't think it is allowed. AFAIK the brake system must be purely mechanical.

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raymondu999 wrote:Rosberg vs Vettel in Singapore 2013 Quali. Rosberg always takes a more circular line, and Vettel seems to go for a later apex on most corners.
http://player.vimeo.com/video/75111724? ... lor=ff9933
Other than the "turn 1 complex" and the hairpin their lines look similar imo, on those 2 particular corners Vettel does go for a late apex while Rosberg turns in earlier.
In the final chicane Rosberg avoids the curb while Vettel goes over it gladly.

Rosberg seems to release the brakes earlier than Vettel who goes very deep into the turns still braking, also they seem to pump their brakes in a number a corners (indicator going on/off), weirdly never in the same one...
Just a shame the brake indicator is an on/off switch i would like so much to see how they work the brakes with some precision.

Also, i'm not sure if it's the steering rack, but Vettel steers less to get in the corners in general, in the slowest corners they have a similar maximum input suggesting it's not just the rack.

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I think it's a faster steering rack, and Vettel taking a later apex in the slow stuff (requiring him to have higher peak lock)
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raymondu999 wrote:I think it's a faster steering rack, and Vettel taking a later apex in the slow stuff (requiring him to have higher peak lock)
That's why I think as well. As i posted in race thread:
Vettel has faster steering rack that's why he need less steering lock compared to rosberg. That's simply driver preference, not a feature of the car. Alonso has the slowest of all by the looks of it on onbards.

Question. Why do some teams (red bull in particular) run their "steering wheel" lights on the chassis? I seem to remember mclarens used that system in the past but have now switched to "normal" steering wheels. Newey's preference of running things? Surely when the driver turns their steering wheel it obstructs the information displayed on the screen?

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I think it was Coulthard that transferred that wheel setup to Red Bull. It has pros and cons like other systems.

sawing the wheel means you will have problems reading the display if it´s on the wheel itself.
Or in long corners your eyes have to always "chase" the rev limiter.

More lock will inhibit you from getting a clear view though.
I´d probably prefer the gearshift, rev limiter to stay put regardless of wheel movement.

And a bit anal but you will have less grams diluting the feel through the wheel.
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From Mark Hughes' trackside column in autosport:
The humid esses of Turns 1-2-3 are framed by three flyovers carrying the friday rush-hour traffic of the real world, daylight fading. The sound of cylinder-cut misfires from the f1 cars on a low-grip surface rebounds off the ivy-covered concrete, the aroma of heady fuel brews hanging in the air in these early laps. sergio Perez is trying to fill the very pores of the track with tyre grip, keeping the car loaded either laterally or under braking or both, but that mcLaren is still niggly over the bumps and kerbs. Jenson button’s out in the other one, in full car-whisperer mode – ‘yes, nice and calm, it’s nothing to worry... bang... That wasn’t so bad, was it? We’re still here’ – and off they go, the flighty car soothed, going way quicker than it realises. Valtteri bottas is on a low-fuel run already and has the Williams by the scruff of the neck, fantastically late on the brakes into Turn 1, car bouncing from bump to bump like a kart. Pastor Maldonado is wilder, every bit as committed but not seeming to feel it so well, reacting to it rather than sensing. Impressive reactions though. Lewis Hamilton has got a bit of an understeer situation but is soon dancing around that, in his own Singapore groove, making the car oversteer when it wants to understeer. It’s becoming properly dark by the time Fernando Alonso begins to properly lean on the ferrari and, as ever, he’s wrong-footing the car exquisitely well, taking more speed into Turn 1 than the rear end is ever going to accept and, just as it’s about to step out of line, he releases the steering, having judged perfectly how much track space he has left to allow this. it’s robbing from his exit what he’s gained on entry, but the net result is a positive. it requires the timing and feel of a dark angel.
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A quote from the Adrian Newey interview with James Allen.

"I think Sebastian and Mark, while they have unfortunately had their differences, they have been from an engineering point of view very good team-mates because they both contribute in different ways. Mark is very sensitive on the aerodynamics of the car, Sebastian is very sensitive in other areas like tyres and suspension characteristics, so they have complemented each other.”

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SectorOne wrote:I´d probably prefer the gearshift, rev limiter to stay put regardless of wheel movement.
I assume you mean gearshift paddles and rev lights?

Interesting. Why would you prefer as such? I can get the rev lights. But why paddleshift? You wouldn't be able to shift at high levels of lock.admittedly, all my roadcars have had their paddleshift at the back of the wheel rather than stationary at the column, so I've never tried the latter
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raymondu999 wrote:I assume you mean gearshift paddles and rev lights?

Interesting. Why would you prefer as such? I can get the rev lights. But why paddleshift? You wouldn't be able to shift at high levels of lock.admittedly, all my roadcars have had their paddleshift at the back of the wheel rather than stationary at the column, so I've never tried the latter
No no, gear shift indicator.

I seem to remember Mercedes having their gear indicator alone and fixed on the car rather then the wheel.
It was part of the winglet they have there nowadays. Could be another car but i´m quite certain it was one of the cars from the Merc lineage. Fairly large and a white hue over it.
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Seems like a Newey preference, Mclaren had it (like from Hakkinen all the way to Hamilton), Red Bull has it, Torro Rosso also have it since the days they shared a project with RBR, they still carry the inheritance.

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Kimi's always been a big trail braker, and it's not really a surprise that the return to the 2012 construction Pirellis, with their stiffer sidewalls and less compound traction, are hurting him now.
Alan Permane wrote:He doesn't like the front end. He doesn't like the turn in. It is not sharp enough for him. But, if you try to sharpen it up too much, you then lose the rear.
Source: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110635
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From Mark Hughes' trackside column
It’s humid yet windy as the world’s most inviting stretch of Tarmac opens up ahead of the driver. At the Turn 4 exit there’s a rubber line defining the outside rear wheel’s path, an arc that defines downforce: the Red Bulls can stay well inside it, already better positioned than the others in moving across to the right of the track for the uphill kink of Turn 5. The Marussias are out of it, Jules Bianchi wrestling with the consequences as the left rear gets out of that groove. He’s pressing hard, early but soon stops coming around, a rookie victim of the waiting trap of the Degners further in the lap. Pastor Maldonado has a big sideways moment before he’s even reached the apex of Turn 4, Jean-Eric Vergne is pumping away on the throttle pedal like a rally driver, the front of Kimi Raikkonen’s Lotus runs wide into the turn, the front tyres finally grip and their sudden pull on the car with all that steering lock applied then upsets the rear. The whole sequence is completed in less than a couple of seconds, and within the available space it doesn’t look like the speed and the slides could be feasible, but it’s happened regardless. Sebastian Vettel is in perfect territory here, using the Red Bull’s rear instability to get him direction change,then the exhaust blowing to rescue him from the consequences. He’s also the only one hooking his right-front wheel inside the apex kerb, this further helping to swivel the car around on its axis, getting him pointed straight and on the gas earlier than anyone else. It’s a combined triumph of vehicle dynamics and technique; no-one else is doing anything like this. Fernando Alonso, for example, is dramatic in hustling the wayward Ferrari, but its dynamics are those of a normal racing car, sliding the excess speed away pre-apex but then having to wrestle with the consequences through and out of the corner – that slide cannot be simply switched off as it is in the Red Bull.
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Vergne is an interesting case study. Over an extended practice stint he has routinely ended up with a faster ultimate lap time than Ricciardo but for whatever reason has rarely found the same one lap pace in qualifying. You would think it would be easy to sit down and solve such an acute issue but apparently not.