Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 2013

[PlatinumZealot]

It worked so, it was a clever move. or do you mean that he would have still gotten third if he had Nico's setup and a clear lap?

[xpensive]

What do you guys make out of this:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... ostpopular

Clever move or narrowminded? I mean the gap between the two Mercedes drivers was negligible given the circumstances.

The gains from selecting Pirelli's new tires midseason begins to wear off as competition is adapting, new tricks are needful.

@ marcush & richard; I fail to see why there would be anything wrong in revisiting the past in order to see the future?

[Helios]

It worked so, it was a clever move. or do you mean that he would have still gotten third if he had Nico's setup and a clear lap?

No, I mean that maybe he has sacrificed his race-pace and might even finish behind Nico for the sake of starting infront of him.

[FoxHound]

And what does the history of these threads teach you, x?

[xpensive]

And what does the history of these threads teach you, x?

Not much really Hound Dog, but in real life I have a portugee assistant nowadays that I learn a lot from, puta que pariu...

[Vasconia]

It worked so, it was a clever move. or do you mean that he would have still gotten third if he had Nico's setup and a clear lap?

No, I mean that maybe he has sacrificed his race-pace and might even finish behind Nico for the sake of starting infront of him.

So he would have finished out of the podium and perhaps beaten by Alonso and Hulkernberg.

It seems that Mercedes has lot some pace since the summer holidays. Ferrari and Mercedes should be embarrassed for this, Lotus with economic problems is keeping the pace and those teams with much more money resources aren’t doing such a good job.

[SectorOne]

Or Lotus has made a step, RBR first, now Lotus.
Toto seems to think its clever engine mapping behind the last podium renault lockouts.

In Mercedes defense, they have had some terrible races recently.

[Kiril Varbanov]

Toto W. thinks that it's all down to Renault clever engine mapping - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110633

[Vasconia]

Toto W. thinks that it's all down to Renault clever engine mapping - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110633

This is annoying, its a long time that its wellknown that Renault teams use a different/better engine mapping, its about time for Mercedes and Ferrari to find a solution. Because I am sure that Renault is working hard to transfer those engine maps to the new turbo units, not the same ones but some new options to use the engines in the most efficient way.

[dren]

In Mercedes defense, they have had some terrible races recently.

Yes, Mercedes has underperformed in the last few races. They can only blame themselves. They have had a much better package than their points total suggests.

[SectorOne]

All in all we thought they would have a dog this year so from that perspective they have done incredibly well.
there´s no team that even comes close to the jump they made from 12 to 13.

With some normal race weekends they might be able to snatch 2nd in the championship but with Lotus coming to life it´s going to be very tough.

[dren]

They have improved their pitstop times to the level of Red Bull and Mclaren. They were about a second slower for the first part of the season.

[marcush.]

All in all we thought they would have a dog this year so from that perspective they have done incredibly well.
there´s no team that even comes close to the jump they made from 12 to 13.

With some normal race weekends they might be able to snatch 2nd in the championship but with Lotus coming to life it´s going to be very tough.

Without a doubt Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 have raised their game recently.Without a doubt they came from a quite lowish level in 2012 as well .
Formula 1 is always in motion and so is teams competitiveness .Teams doing it right are on the rise teams on the wrong train face the fall from the cliff.
You can always fall into a trap -Mclaren and Sauber had VERY good machinery in 2012 and failed to sustain that level of building competitive machinery.Fascinatingly cash strapped Sauber has found its speed towards the end of the season and is back or almost back to their 2012 level of competitiveness when Mclaren seems to be stuck at the end of the top 10 since day 1 this year.
But one can clearly say Ferrari can extract quite a lot from a less than ideal base design -when Mercedes failed to improve any of their last designs over the year relative to the opposition.
you may call this inyear development strength ,i call it pin pointing problems ,nailing and erasing them.Mclaren always looked like THE team with the ability to turn around a dodged car -but now it looks more like they are the masters of extracting 100% from a base design.This years car is just a tad too bad as a base car ....they cannot lift it above a certain level.A mirror of Mercedes in 2010,11,12 really.

We have no insight why Mclaren has lost what apears to be found now to a degree at Mercedes.I doubt it is Hamilton but who knows.

Intriguingly Mercedes had a very competitive time when things looked increasingly shaky for them in stuttgart.Now the tides have ebbed away and they fall back into remote control cruising .
sure the title is decided ,they have won several GPs mission accomplished.
I certainly do not understand why not stating -we are not interested in results anymore we work for 2014 already to hit the ground running ...

[FoxHound]

But one can clearly say Ferrari can extract quite a lot from a less than ideal base design -when Mercedes failed to improve any of their last designs over the year relative to the opposition.
you may call this inyear development strength ,i call it pin pointing problems ,nailing and erasing them.

Are we talking the same Ferrari of the last 3 years?

In terms of relative speed, Mercedes have been quicker than Ferrari for the most part of the season excepting the season start. With the amount of errors the team have made they only sit a few points of Ferrari.
We must also look at Ferrari's technical reshuffle. Lot's of rumours circulating about Fry now that Dirk De Beer and James Allison have joined.
Ferrari do not agree with your assessment it seems Marcush.

And as a little aside....look at how similar the two machines are.

[thomin]

Toto W. thinks that it's all down to Renault clever engine mapping - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110633

This is annoying, its a long time that its wellknown that Renault teams use a different/better engine mapping, its about time for Mercedes and Ferrari to find a solution. Because I am sure that Renault is working hard to transfer those engine maps to the new turbo units, not the same ones but some new options to use the engines in the most efficient way.

1) Yeah, Mercedes should be working hard on this in order to secure second place in the constructors championship. Toto said that it's a problem because the dynos are basically working on the 2014 engine 24/7 and that putting the 2013 engine there could compromise next season. But then I figure that Mercedes must have lots of dynos in Stuttgart. When all you need to do is to work on the engine mapping, I don't see why they would need to be close to their development center in Brixworth. So it really shouldn't be that much of a problem.

2) I understand that the advantage in engine mapping has everything to do with blowing the diffusor. So it really won't translate into an advantage for the 2014 season as the diffusors won't be blown.

3) All this talk about engine mapping makes me think that it was a bad decision after all not to supply Red Bull with engines when they came begging in 2011. Adrian Newey is the master of blown diffusors and his input certainly could have helped Mercedes there.