2013 Abu Dhabi GP - Yas Marina

[Richard]

Driver hater posts have had their post deleted, authors have been advised to not repeat.

[SectorOne]

@ Sector One: But didn't Hamilton get past Nico down to T1 and then repassed at the DRS straight? Was that down to that mistake only (I can't remember the first lap in detail anymore)?

Hamilton gets a better start, goes around the outside of Rosberg into T1, then heading into T3 (it´s really T2 in my opinion)
Both Vettel and Hamilton makes a mistake, Vettel straightens the car up and shoots off, Hamilton does the same but with Massa and Rosberg right behind him who gets a better exit out of the corner.

It might be possible that Rosberg and/or Massa would have passed Hamilton down the straight but highly unlikely.
Without Hamilton making a mistake he could have potentially overtook or tagged along behind Vettel all the way down.
(even if you remove Vettel´s mistake as well)

[Juzh]

I have question. Given that raikkonen's car was declared illegal, can they race it tomorrow? I mean, the fia refused their explanation of damage, so why wouldn't the floor flex in the race as well?

[SectorOne]

I have question. Given that raikkonen's car was declared illegal, can they race it tomorrow? I mean, the fia refused their explanation of damage, so why wouldn't the floor flex in the race as well?

Well the floor they tested is illegal = you are not allowed to race that floor because it does not fill the criteria set up.
With FIA not buying the fact that it might have been damage they can´t change the floor in Parc Ferme but has to start at the back and also change the floor.

[komninosm]

Vettel seemed pissed to be nr 2.
I wonder if for some specific reason or just in general.

He mad a mistake in first turn on his final attempt so probably both.

GJ from webber. First time he beat vettel on equal terms this year. Now lets see what he can do in the race.
Ham clearly spun of by himself. He did 2 personal best sectors and the car was somehow undrivable? lol

Apparently you're wrong:
"It transpired the lower right-rear wishbone had broken, probably as a result of all the running over the kerbs."

Raikkonen excluded http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/11/02/r ... tart-last/

I think the right thing is to start from the pitlane.

Why?

[Juzh]

Well at the time it looked like he was to blame. I did jump to conclusion too early but lots of people do when it comes to some other particular driver.

Rai should start from the pits because his top speed is nowhere (slowest of all actually) and they really need to change their car setup to be more slippery so he can overtake.

[ringo]

So if Hamilton's rear wish bone failure put him out on a lap good enough to challenge for pole, can we expect good pace from him in the race once everything's replaced and hopefully he get's a good start?
Also will Rosberg's wishbones need changing as well, seeing as though he's just as aggressive in the twisty parts of the track?

Now's the time to get a massive points haul on ferrari; they can't afford any reliability problems at this stage.

[Hail22]

Alain Prost on Vettel's "finger pumping":

http://au.eurosport.com/formula-1/vette ... tory.shtml

Relevance? His comments are whilst he's at the Abu Dhabi GP.

[Traction]

Alain Prost on Vettel's "finger pumping":

http://au.eurosport.com/formula-1/vette ... tory.shtml

Relevance? His comments are whilst he's at the Abu Dhabi GP.

I like the way you focus on the tongue in cheek finger comment. What I find more relevant is his assertion that Vettel need not change teams to somehow validate his obvious abilities.

[atanatizante]

@ Sector One: But didn't Hamilton get past Nico down to T1 and then repassed at the DRS straight? Was that down to that mistake only (I can't remember the first lap in detail anymore)?

Hamilton gets a better start, goes around the outside of Rosberg into T1, then heading into T3 (it´s really T2 in my opinion)
Both Vettel and Hamilton makes a mistake ...

I don't think Lewis did a mistake coz on another forum someone said that Lewis was a bit of pis.ed of about Vettel how was clearly brake test him after the poor start he have had ... so in order to back that I saw again the race and you could easily see that Lewis almost took an avoiding collision action in T3 not to hit Vettel ...

In another matter, RB had set up their cars more for the race as Vettel said on RTL, coz they were aware about Lotus's pace and one stop strategy could prevail this week ... and that's why Merc boys was closer in qualy this time around ...

Now about Merc. speed on the straights you could see that they change the setup this week for a better top speed and this was confirmed by Rosberg on RLT interview when he said that these changes were good so far this weekend.

In the same series of interviews on RTL Hulk said that they setup the car the same as Korea (coz I don't think it's a coincidence about the same top speed there and here) but I think Merc had learned a lesson in Korea and now they have geared a bit longer on their 7th gear as Rosberg suggested ...

[komninosm]

I like the way you focus on the tongue in cheek finger comment. What I find more relevant is his assertion that Vettel need not change teams to somehow validate his obvious abilities.

Actually what Prost said was:
"For sure, if he moved to another team and wins with them, it would help."
So he does think if Vettel changed teams it would help validate Vettel in people's eyes

And then he added:
"But I have to be realistic, if I was in his position, I would not move."
"I moved (teams) myself for different reasons. Honestly, if (Brazilian triple champion) Ayrton (Senna) had not come into the team, then maybe I could have continued with McLaren forever. We don't know"
To which Senna would answer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZlOIIIA3co
^.^

"Look at 1990 at Ferrari with Nigel (Mansell)," he recalled of a season in which he finished runner-up to McLaren's Senna.
"If we had a clear number one and number two, I would have been world champion. No question."
Or maybe Mansell would have been world champion...


PS: When I was a kid watching Prost and Senna race, I always supported Prost for some reason. Maybe cause I'm European. Mansell was such a toon with his mustache and attitude >.<

[Juzh]

Their gearing is the same as in korea. ~1kph difference.

[SectorOne]

I don't think Lewis did a mistake coz on another forum someone said that Lewis was a bit of pis.ed of about Vettel how was clearly brake test him after the poor start he have had ... so in order to back that I saw again the race and you could easily see that Lewis almost took an avoiding collision action in T3 not to hit Vettel ...

Maybe we watched different races. To me you could see Hamilton losing the rear over the crest due to going in way to fast in the corner.

[Helios]

I don't think Lewis did a mistake coz on another forum someone said that Lewis was a bit of pis.ed of about Vettel how was clearly brake test him after the poor start he have had ... so in order to back that I saw again the race and you could easily see that Lewis almost took an avoiding collision action in T3 not to hit Vettel ...

Maybe we watched different races. To me you could see Hamilton losing the rear over the crest due to going in way to fast in the corner.

Caution, caution - not too much criticism on Lewis or else you'll be brandmarked as a hater mate.

On topic: I just hope we won't see a similar scenario today again. If Lewis loses out to the Hulk, his race is pretty much over. Intelligent use of KERS and a good start will be crucial, maybe saving a bit of KERS for the second DRS-straigh aswell.

[SectorOne]

Just to put it to rest. There was no brake testing by any driver and both Hamilton and Vettel made a mistake in T3.

Vettel is not near enough to brake test anyone as you can see,


Notice how wide Vettel is going, missing apex my a mile,


Here Hamilton is losing the rear, he´s probably noticing Vettel´s mistake, tries to turn in a bit harder to set up a better run out of the corner but in doing so loses the rear.


Hamilton is still oversteering, Vettel is gone.


Rosberg while not ideal entry it´s much better then Hamilton but because his is not ideal and Massa´s is, Felipe jumps both guys.