2014 Design

[Ogami musashi]

Ah yes, it seems so..they did the same in 2008 to preview the 2009.
Thanks

[Richard]

Nice to see a mockup. It's a good effort compared some of the other marketing efforts we've seen in the past that simply paint a n old car with the latest livery. It's got a low nose, narrow wing, central exhaust, no beam wing. The sidepods seem bulkier too. I see there are no barge boards, but that rule seems a bit uncertain at the moment.

[Huntresa]

Thats not 2014, its just one of the car they use to show that doesnt work. They did the same in the subway in Stockholm, sweden.

The nose looks like pre 2009 with its FW struts.

[Blackout]

It's an R27 (a modified one of course) you can see it has a 'V' keel under the nose. The 28 has no keel and has a very different monocoque/nose : )

[adrianjordan]

I have recently updated the 2014 Front Wing Aerodynamics post on my blog. I've come up with a potential nose/chassis design and I think you can now see why they could be quite ugly things next year...

http://thewptformula.wordpress.com/2013 ... ront-wing/

From your site:
http://thewptformula.wordpress.com/2013 ... ront-wing/
http://thewptformula.files.wordpress.co ... pdate1.jpg

^This looks fantastic.

Agreed - it does look quite good.

It also looks a bit like the McLaren MP4/27 - with a slightly lower nose.

http://static4.therichestimages.com/cdn ... 3-8001.jpg

http://www.f1india.org/images/F1%20Gall ... -Front.jpg

Just how much further would McLaren need to lower the nose of the MP4-27 to fit the 2014 regulations?

[SectorOne]

Just how much further would McLaren need to lower the nose of the MP4-27 to fit the 2014 regulations?

About here,

edit:

[FW17]

Just how much further would McLaren need to lower the nose of the MP4-27 to fit the 2014 regulations?

About here,

http://i.imgur.com/654RwTl.jpg

It should be much further down considering the center of the wheel is 660 mm, the wheel center would be 330 mm with a 25 mm ride height (as in the picture). Next years nose is at 185 mm which would be 120 mm below the line drawn.

[SectorOne]

True, i was in the process of skimming through the regulations but did not find it, with you mentioning 185 i found it.
i´ll update the picture.

[samboozik]

I've done some editing on this image
Would it be something close to this?

[SectorOne]

Nice, yea probably something around that area.
It´s all just a approximation but should give a visual idea of the height.

It´s gonna look better then the stepped noses at least. Or so i hope.

If you can, make the nose gradually thinner. Would probably give an even better visualization.

Edit: 10 second photoshop,

[theWPTformula]

Analysis of the rear wing and the loss of the beam wing for next year - http://thewptformula.wordpress.com/2013 ... rear-wing/

[hollus]

The 2014 technical regulations are designed to negate any previous advantage that the exhaust pipes had in terms of aerodynamic effect. So far I am yet to find any loopholes that will make use of the exhaust pipe/gases next year (unless there is a way of melting certain sections of the Y75 winglet with the gases to reduce drag/create downforce, or something along those lines).

The way you have positioned that exhaust and that monkey seat, you are using the exhaust to create downforce already. The gas flow will rapidly increase a bit in diameter as it loses speed and entrails ambient gases, so it would directly work (touch) the underside of that monkey seat (Coanda style, think of why it bends upwards). And blowing the underside of an F1 wing creates more downforce than blowing the upper side, so that's where you want it.

[Just_a_fan]

Do next year's rules allow for the rear wing to be supported using a swan neck support wrapping around the front of the wing and connected to the top of the main plane?

Or are we likely to see the rear wing supported purely by the endplates?

[theWPTformula]

The 2014 technical regulations are designed to negate any previous advantage that the exhaust pipes had in terms of aerodynamic effect. So far I am yet to find any loopholes that will make use of the exhaust pipe/gases next year (unless there is a way of melting certain sections of the Y75 winglet with the gases to reduce drag/create downforce, or something along those lines).

http://thewptformula.files.wordpress.co ... =625&h=442
The way you have positioned that exhaust and that monkey seat, you are using the exhaust to create downforce already. The gas flow will rapidly increase a bit in diameter as it loses speed and entrails ambient gases, so it would directly work (touch) the underside of that monkey seat (Coanda style, think of why it bends upwards). And blowing the underside of an F1 wing creates more downforce than blowing the upper side, so that's where you want it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't exhaust gases high pressure? To produce downforce you want, ideally, as much low pressure beneath and as much high pressure on top of an aerofoil or wing element. Therefore in this instance the exhaust surely ruins this ideal circumstance as high pressure is being projected from the exit beneath the winglet, right?

I would also expect the expansion of the exhaust gases to maybe start immediately after the trailing edge of the Monkey Seat.

Anymore opinions on this?

[theWPTformula]

Do next year's rules allow for the rear wing to be supported using a swan neck support wrapping around the front of the wing and connected to the top of the main plane?

Or are we likely to see the rear wing supported purely by the endplates?

As far as I am aware, yes. Central supports in the 150mm section are allowed although I'd have to double check as to whether they can form a Swan Neck over the main plane and onto the wing itself. Unless teams attach their endplates to the floor then supports would be necessary to stabilise the wing.