Silly Season 2013/14

[SectorOne]

Eh? You yourself claimed that Horner was being hyped as a TP for his success with Red Bull, whereas infact he's had a very successful record throughout his nearly 20 years running racing teams. The reason Horner was appointed by RB in itself was that he had been running very successful feeder teams.

But if you are going to compare him to other people as you asked specifically in your post then that´s not possible unless you only take into account Formula One.

Some people were not team principals prior to F1.
And i did not say hyped. I said when a team is successful, the intricate parts of that machine will be considered the best at the time.

Again, you are only as good as your last race. So let´s say Horner when he joined Red Bull and had no success for 4 seasons.
Nobody except maybe Red Bull would consider him at the top of Formula One Team Principals.

But now, it´s easy to say yes Horner is at the top.
It´s not a discussion about whether he is or not.

[munudeges]

Yea i think so, like with Newey. When the cars are bad, not much is said about Newey, then he just nails incredible cars and the genius tag is thrown around.

How often are the cars bad?

[SectorOne]

Yea i think so, like with Newey. When the cars are bad, not much is said about Newey, then he just nails incredible cars and the genius tag is thrown around.

How often are the cars bad?

05-06-07 weren´t that great.
All the gaps between his title winning cars have not been all that great either.
Some might have been fast but perhaps not great.

[munudeges]

05-06-07 weren´t that great.

Seriously? The 2005 car was pretty much the fastest thing out there, and again, was let down by reliability particularly from Mercedes. McLaren just weren't comfortable going where Newey wanted to go and they are now ultimately paying the price for it.

Seriously, do you not know Newey had left McLaren at the beginning of 2006? McLaren struggled with the new Michelins that year and the 2007 car really should have won the championship. We shouldn't need to be reminded what happened there, but even then the car within those regulations still carried the legacy of Newey's aerodynamic thinking.

If you're asking why his first Red Bulls weren't great, meh, the farcical tin pot outfit of Jaguar was getting rebuilt. I shouldn't have to explain this on this forum.

[SectorOne]

05-06-07 weren´t that great.

Seriously? The 2005 car was pretty much the fastest thing out there, and again, was let down by reliability particularly from Mercedes. McLaren just weren't comfortable going where Newey wanted to go and they are now ultimately paying the price for it.

Seriously, do you not know Newey had left McLaren at the beginning of 2006? McLaren struggled with the new Michelins that year and the 2007 car really should have won the championship. We shouldn't need to be reminded what happened there, but even then the car within those regulations still carried the legacy of Newey's aerodynamic thinking.

If you're asking why his first Red Bulls weren't great, meh, the farcical tin pot outfit of Jaguar was getting rebuilt. I shouldn't have to explain this on this forum.

I think you should undestand that Newey does not, and i repeat does not produce world beaters every single year since he got to Formula 1.

He just doesn´t. You can attribute all kinds of excuses to this but it´s irrelevant.
When Byrne was pushing out cars in the Ferrari era Newey was for the most part, nowhere to be seen.
Yes he had the track record but he was by no means producing RB6´s on the fly.

[NathanOlder]

Am I right I thinking that Newey has won 10 constructors titles, with 10 drivers titles. His first car wasin 1988. 26 cars in total. So thats 20 titles out of a possible 52. I know his record is pretty much the best, but the fact is, he loses more than he wins

[antiuser]

Sometimes a project takes more than a couple of iterations to get right. You can see that in projects like the McLaren MP4/4, the basic idea of a car that low and flat came from the Brabham BT55 of 1986, a car which didn't win a single race or get a single pole position. Also, the chief designer is only one cog in a very complex machine. You can have the best car design out there but you still won't win a WDC or WCC if your reliability is bad or if your engine packs it in the middle of the race, or if your gearbox is made of glass. Red Bull and Newey had a steep hill to climb, when he came in Red Bull were basically in the same position Force India is in today, a midfield team with two good but not stellar drivers. You could clearly see the evolution from the RB3 to the RB5 not only in terms of car performance but also the way the whole team operated.

[lio007]

new rumors/talks about Brawn to Ferrari:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MZeiTIeNkk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WtHWGIAEec

[Manoah2u]

new rumors/talks about Brawn to Ferrari:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MZeiTIeNkk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WtHWGIAEec

sky talk is just sensationalism over nothing. so ross talks with stefano. the discussion could have been over how to make the best italian pan pizza for crying out loud. so as a team boss it isn't strange, yet departing ross suddenly is weird that he does the exact same talk with stefano? that's just plain rubbish and kindergarten conslusions. There is zero credibility that ross having a talk with stefano actually means he's going there - that's just absurd.
furthermore, nothing is to be taken from 'we will see', because the same answer could be given by any team.
Stefano said no matter what he says, the news titles will read out some rediculous statement, so because they kept pressing on him with some sensationalist question, he said 'lets wait and see'.

[fritticaldi]

The BBC is reporting that GP2 front-runner Marcus Ericsson is in the running for a seat at Caterham.

[Pup]

the discussion could have been over how to make the best italian pan pizza for crying out loud

Stephano is from Chicago?

[NathanOlder]

The BBC is reporting that GP2 front-runner Marcus Ericsson is in the running for a seat at Caterham.

Hardley Front running. On the GP2 topic, does anyone know where Fabio Leimer will be next year ? or will he be forced to sit out for a year like Valsecchi

[SectorOne]

Interesting comments from Whitmarsh. I wonder who the team principal is.

“I hoped and tried to find him a cockpit,” the McLaren team boss told Formula 1′s official website in Brazil.

“I even did a deal and shook hands with a team principal up and down this paddock – an absolute deal – but he stepped back,” Whitmarsh revealed.

Asked to identify his reneging colleague, Whitmarsh answered: “I would like to, but I won’t. Even after 25 years I find that difficult to deal with – I know I shouldn’t, but I am still hopelessly naive.”

“I still think that if you look somebody in the eye and shake hands then that’s a done deal. When it turns out like in the Magnussen case, then I am shocked, and I tell myself ‘learn, don’t be naive’.

“So having to face this situation, I decided ‘let’s go for it with Kevin ourselves’,” added Whitmarsh.

http://grandprix247.com/2013/11/23/f1-t ... whitmarsh/

[Jonnycraig]

Marussia you would imagine. There were rumours for a while of him going there.

[Shrieker]

Humbug. I'll take Bernie's word for it.

I can understand if it doesn't make any sense to you. In a company, a man who fires and lambastes whomever he wishes is more 'principal' than the man who begs to his driver over the radio.

Now think about that for a bit

Not to mention this:

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 15&t=13244

Good read eh ?