Of course he can have good races in the wet too but it´s definitely more frequent spins when it´s wet.timbo wrote:C'mon, that day was about wrong car setup. Massa won Brazil'08 that year in a mixed conditions and got podium in Korea 2010 under heavy rain.SectorOne wrote:Because it´s more frequent, like Silverstone 08 where he must have broken some kind of record.
In addition to the observation above, 11 out of 23 seasons went down to the last race to determine the WDC under the old scheme anyway. Looking at it from the other way around, 12 out of 23 were determined prematurely (52%). If the primary goal was to extend only seasons during which the WDC is set before the last race, one has to admit that it does address the issue well. The 12 seasons since 1991 that were determined prematurely would have been extended by at least 1 additional race in 9 cases - we are dealing with a 75% chance to improve on the old scheme. I wish I had some revenue figures to put on this chance of improvement, but I'm certain the number is big - especially if you take into account that the 75% chance to improve comes with a 100% guarantee to perform at least as good as before (i.e. 0% chance of loss).tim|away wrote: In 23 seaons since 1991, awarding double points in the last race would have extended the season 9 times, and the WDC would have gone to a different driver 3 times. We can therefore assume this new rule will come with a 39% chance of keeping up the suspense for at least 1 additional race, as well as a 13% chance to change the outcome of the WDC.
I disagree. Obviously it should extend the fight in the championship, but it can't add intrigue by itself. Would it be a major change if the 2001,2002 or 2004 champions were determined a few races later? And did ratings suffer as much in 2009 or 2005 when champion were determined a few races before the end of the championship?tim|away wrote:If the primary goal was to extend only seasons during which the WDC is set before the last race, one has to admit that it does address the issue well.
I think they might when you look back at the Australian GP in 2006 where Buttons Honda blew up in the final turn, and rather than Coast over the line and take the points he had, the car was retired before it reached the line.ScottB wrote:Given that we are likely to see reliability issues, and teams fearing running out of engines etc by seasons end, will this double points nonsense see some teams / drivers trying to save up a drivetrain for the final race, even if it means retiring during the races leading up to it if they aren't having great races?
They don't have any leverage. First of all they are all individual identities who on their own have very little power towards the FOM. Second they are competitors towards eachother, which the FOM plays out. And lastly they are bound to contractual lines that limit their juristical manueuvrability. Their contracts probably also end mostly in a different year, making a boycot nearly impossible in the near future.Shrieker wrote:I wonder what other track promoters are up to these days. Surely, I wouldn't have liked the idea of some other race offering double the points of mine. The track promoters should unite and protest this. At the very least they'll have leverage for lower fees, and the poison dwarf will be forced to cave in if the income increase from the last race does not compensate for reduced fees elsewhere.
Yet, he stood up and drove the most brilliant race of his carreer in Brazil later that year, in mixed conditions... He even stayed out an extra lap compared to most other drivers when it started to rain.SectorOne wrote:Because it´s more frequent, like Silverstone 08 where he must have broken some kind of record.langwadt wrote:why wet?
You mean like he did at Fuji in 07 when he and Kubica were reenacting Arnoux vs. Villeneuve on the last lap?SectorOne wrote:Or a spin trophy for those rainy days Massa is forced to race an F1 car on the limit.
Wow! I'm no fan of the double points, but ,man, have a little hyperbole.mikelaren wrote:what we could do next is place boxes around the track these boxes contain special things such as one of them has a thing that turns your car into a space rocket and another has these explosive turtle things that you launch from your car and a different kind of box makes all the other cars shrink to half size and then we could also make a track that's like a ski slope and there is a big cannon that shoots you to the next bit of a track and there is big piles of pink snow that slow you down or we could make a track that's like in the stars and its on rainbows but if you fall you just get put back on the track then what we could do next it make all the drivers funny characters like a mushroom or an Italian plumber and his assistant or a big turtle with a spiky shell and then before each race they could choose one of about three bikes that are way faster than the cars that everyone else chooses and they get the choice to have a manual car or an automatic car but for some reason there are no gearboxes so when you are manual you just go sideways then we could make it some there are multicoloured patches on the track that make you zoom forward really fast but sometimes you come across bananas that make your car spin round.
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I would imagine Massa would raise the man in your avatar Hungary 2011..SectorOne wrote:Or a spin trophy for those rainy days Massa is forced to race an F1 car on the limit.
Or Monaco 08 where he planted it in the barrier.. Or Canada 2011 where he planted it in his teammate.. Or Brazil 12 where he dove for inters when Button & Hulkenberg were happy on drys..