By whom, and what were their reasons for saying it was?Sevach wrote:It was reported that the problem on most tracks were the rears
They're rear limited on most tracks on most tyres. But I don't see any evidence that the early 2013 tyres are more rear-limited than usual. Sure, they degraded quicker, but the fronts did too - so it was an equal increase on front and rear degradation.but on most tracks the cars were rear limited.
(bold and italic formatting added to point to the location of the word very)the early season tyres were very rear limited
Alonso does tend to do his "throw the steering in" technique sometimes in rear-limited situations. While I have not studied his 2013 onboards, he often does that when the rears are an issue. He throws it in so quickly that the car simply does not have the bite to do it - hence, understeer. But that understeer stabilises the rear - ie it's better to understeer than oversteer, in terms of carrying momentum through a corner. Rubens Barichello tends to do this as well - except for Barichello it's more of an "oversteer failure mode" rather than a "driving style."Sevach wrote:It was reported by Mark Hughes if i remember correctly, and it was dramatic enough that compared to 2012 that he felt it was making a difference for Alonso.
Kimi being slower in qualyfying came only after the change to 2012 specification. He needs a very responsive front and he felt that the car understeered much more because of that changejamsbong wrote: That said, i wonder if Raikkonen has lost a bit of edge in qualifying? Grosjean often outpace him there.
Keen to see how well he fares against Alonso next year. I hope they will keep all competition on track rather than off track.
Yep in situations where the others are tip-toeing Alonso can push comfortably with this style.SectorOne wrote:It has to give a lot of confidence in the opening laps with Alonso´s driving style. Understeer is quite safe and predictable so he´s always going to be more comfortable then a person always waiting for the rear end to come around.
It´s not the prettiest driving style on earth but it´s very effective, surprisingly his front end washing has not been a real problem with Pirelli´s.
"There's going to be a lot of simulator work and running through things that are going to help us put the power down, because I don't think any of us are used to having torque. I've raced in Formula 1 for 14 years and I've never had torque, so it's going to be a new experience.
"I think it will be easier in reality but we're going to find it tough. In high speed corners you're off the power for so long and you just can't get the power down – you're waiting the whole time. It's not like now with so much downforce and so little torque that you can just floor it and even if you run a bit wide you just understeer off the circuit.
"With the 2014 car, if you floor it in a corner like Turn 3 at Barcelona, you don't just drive off, you immediately lose the rear because there is so much torque."
It depends. Alonso can manage the car in such way that loose rear end does not jump out on him, remember 2012 when in the beginning of the season he managed to get some good results from F2012 which had very unstable rear end.Kansas wrote:Next year with more torque from the power unit that contribute to less stable rear end, it could favors Kimi and jeopardize Alonso.
I don't think Alonso has shown he cannot handle oversteer. To the contrary.Kansas wrote:Interesting to see how kimi and alonso fares together.
They are the polar opposite of each other.
Alonso can manipulate the front to perfection while Kimi could play around with rear like he was born to do that.
Hence, Alonso prefer a stable rear end that balance any correction he made to the front. Kimi prefer sharp front end that allow him to correct the rear end (preferably a bit loose) accurately.
Next year with more torque from the power unit that contribute to less stable rear end, it could favors Kimi and jeopardize Alonso.
In 2007, part of the reason to his struggle was the DNA of the car's predecessor was built around Kimi. Montoya faced the same issues when he switched to mclaren, his first comment after the first ride in the mclaren was " the car is too sensitive". Lewis was able to thrive in it because he had similar balance preference as Kimi.n smikle wrote:I don't think Alonso has shown he cannot handle oversteer. To the contrary.Kansas wrote:Interesting to see how kimi and alonso fares together.
They are the polar opposite of each other.
Alonso can manipulate the front to perfection while Kimi could play around with rear like he was born to do that.
Hence, Alonso prefer a stable rear end that balance any correction he made to the front. Kimi prefer sharp front end that allow him to correct the rear end (preferably a bit loose) accurately.
Next year with more torque from the power unit that contribute to less stable rear end, it could favors Kimi and jeopardize Alonso.
As I wrote above - I don't think Alonso "deals with" oversteer. There are times when Lewis says the car is loose at the rear, and you see him driving tail-wagging, almost as if he's just pushing anyways and reacting to the slide that happens afterwards with his reflexes and car control. I don't ever remember Alonso doing that.n smikle wrote:I don't think Alonso has shown he cannot handle oversteer. To the contrary.
raymondu999 wrote:Alonso does tend to do his "throw the steering in" technique sometimes in rear-limited situations. While I have not studied his 2013 onboards, he often does that when the rears are an issue. He throws it in so quickly that the car simply does not have the bite to do it - hence, understeer. But that understeer stabilises the rear - ie it's better to understeer than oversteer, in terms of carrying momentum through a corner. Rubens Barichello tends to do this as well - except for Barichello it's more of an "oversteer failure mode" rather than a "driving style."
You could see it in Austin last year. When everyone was struggling for rear grip and oversteering, Alonso was forcing the car to understeer rather than oversteer through his manhandled turn-in.
