Double Points @ Final Race

[hollus]

There is still hope. Rules have been changed on short notice before, on safety grounds. Does a fan riot count?

[Moxie]

Well if that is the way Bernie wants to approach the season, here is a grand idea. The points awarded at each race increase on a logarithmic scale. Then each venue can bid for its position in the schedule.

[astracrazy]

read on twitter via jon nobble that this apparently comes from pressure from the tv companies and track promotors. so its solved. fans should boycott the last race completely

[hairy_scotsman]

Ecclestone: Extra points for last 3 races or none at all:

http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... cclestone/

I remember Tavo Hellmund alluded to a tweak like this in that C&D blog.

[MOWOG]

At the end of that story is this from Luca D :

Today, it was Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo’s turn. In a meeting with Italian reporters, Montezemolo said the rule “seems rather artificial and not very sporting.” He then proceeded to call for a summit of all F1 squads at Maranello in late January.

“I think the time has come to all sit around the table with the other teams to discuss the overall approach to Formula One,” he said. “I want to talk constructively, without discussing anything to do with competitiveness but putting forward proposals in a transparent manner, without any under the table agreements.

“There should be more dialogue between the teams when it comes to discussing the problems affecting Formula One.”

Hmmmmm.....sounds like FOTA might rise again. Perhaps the teams are a bit tired of all these attempts to "spice up the show" in lieu of just getting on with racing. "Curiouser and curiouser," said Alice......

[Tim.Wright]

There seems to be a repeating loop:

• Governing body and or commercial rights owner ratify some stupid changes into law
• Teams get together and give themselves a name (F1CA, FOCA, FOTA) and fight the (usually short) man
• After a few years of stabbing each other in the back, the teams association disbands because they can't even agree on the day of the week let along governing F1

And repeat...

[turbof1]

We could it the Ecclestone Law.

[MOWOG]

There seems to be a repeating loop:
Governing body and or commercial rights owner ratify some stupid changes into law
Teams get together and give themselves a name (F1CA, FOCA, FOTA) and fight the (usually short) man
After a few years of stabbing each other in the back, the teams association disbands because they can't even agree on the day of the week let along governing F1

And repeat...

Exactly so. =D> I have never fully understood why the teams allow themselves to be pushed around so egregiously by Bernie and the FIA. Tis a mystery.

But in US open wheel racing, we watched IndyCar explode into a dysfunctional mess when the teams ran everything with no effective oversight from a sanctioning body.

The answer, of course, is that no one wants to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Until the golden egg loses its luster, of course.....

[Tim.Wright]

There seems to be a repeating loop:
Governing body and or commercial rights owner ratify some stupid changes into law
Teams get together and give themselves a name (F1CA, FOCA, FOTA) and fight the (usually short) man
After a few years of stabbing each other in the back, the teams association disbands because they can't even agree on the day of the week let along governing F1

And repeat...

Exactly so. =D> I have never fully understood why the teams allow themselves to be pushed around so egregiously by Bernie and the FIA. Tis a mystery.

But in US open wheel racing, we watched IndyCar explode into a dysfunctional mess when the teams ran everything with no effective oversight from a sanctioning body.

The answer, of course, is that no one wants to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Until the golden egg loses its luster, of course.....

My observation, not just in F1 buit in governance in general, is that when you form a "committee" or "democracy" of involved parties and give them a problem to solve they inevitably stuff it up because they all have their own agendas rather than a singular well defined plan. The result is that everything determined by such a committe is a comprimise in every possible way.

I will never forget the words of a guest lecturer during my uni days: "if you want something stuffed up, give it to a committe". It sounded like sour grapes at the time, but as I went on I see it happen so often that as people increase in numbers, they become dumber.



It is simply no match, in terms of efficiency, to a single "dictatorship" style of management like Bernie has. Even though his directions are often questionable, no-one has their --- together well enough to provide any resistence.

[ringo]

I like the double points rule, because really and truly it doesn't really change which car is the faster one and which will get all the points anyway.
What this rule does it raise the stakes near the end of the season, and i feel F1 needs that.
It's not climatic when every grand prix holds the same weight going through the year.
We need something like basketball where you have a final seven games. The climatic end brings more suspense and attention.

In fact i would go as far as to ask for a coin toss every 3 races to decide if it will be a double points race. The coin will be tossed right after the previous race and teams will have two weeks to try and take advantage of the opportunity.

For instance Sauber and FI can be in a battle for fifth, but the coin is tossed at the end of the british gp for the german one.
If it's a double points german gp, then the teams would try and pull out all the stops to make sure the car is developed, then engines are on edge, just to make sure they bring a better car to the race than their rival.

We need to see less conservatism in F1. The sport has too much control and prediction. We tend to get good races when the teams haven't done their homework on things like tyres and weather and pitstops.
A coin toss every 3 races for double points would be a good idea. Bernie is going in the right direction.

[Manoah2u]

how about we give double points to ALL the races.
or how about the drivers boycott the race by just stopping half way, stopping on the straight and exiting their cars,
and walk away to the pits. half distance run, half distance points.

or how about they just act normal and not make it a A1GP thing. If you want everything the same and fake gimmicks,
just go for A1GP. ah yes, thats why it failed.

this is getting out of control, it was out of control with the DRS, it got even worse with the artificial tyre degrading,
and this really tops it out.

bring the sport back to the 'game'. this is just nonsense. what's next?

[langwadt]

I like the double points rule, because really and truly it doesn't really change which car is the faster one and which will get all the points anyway.
What this rule does it raise the stakes near the end of the season, and i feel F1 needs that.
It's not climatic when every grand prix holds the same weight going through the year.
We need something like basketball where you have a final seven games. The climatic end brings more suspense and attention.

In fact i would go as far as to ask for a coin toss every 3 races to decide if it will be a double points race. The coin will be tossed right after the previous race and teams will have two weeks to try and take advantage of the opportunity.

For instance Sauber and FI can be in a battle for fifth, but the coin is tossed at the end of the british gp for the german one.
If it's a double points german gp, then the teams would try and pull out all the stops to make sure the car is developed, then engines are on edge, just to make sure they bring a better car to the race than their rival.

We need to see less conservatism in F1. The sport has too much control and prediction. We tend to get good races when the teams haven't done their homework on things like tyres and weather and pitstops.
A coin toss every 3 races for double points would be a good idea. Bernie is going in the right direction.

double points for the last race or worse last three races could very easily give an unfair advantage to the rich teams
they have the resources to keep developing and copying all the good ideas all the way to the end of the season

[Moxie]

In fact i would go as far as to ask for a coin toss every 3 races to decide if it will be a double points race. The coin will be tossed right after the previous race and teams will have two weeks to try and take advantage of the opportunity.

For instance Sauber and FI can be in a battle for fifth, but the coin is tossed at the end of the british gp for the german one.
If it's a double points german gp, then the teams would try and pull out all the stops to make sure the car is developed, then engines are on edge, just to make sure they bring a better car to the race than their rival.

We need to see less conservatism in F1. The sport has too much control and prediction. We tend to get good races when the teams haven't done their homework on things like tyres and weather and pitstops.
A coin toss every 3 races for double points would be a good idea. Bernie is going in the right direction.

I'd never watch F1 again!

[ringo]

Can someone say why this is unfair?

It's the same for everybody. It's not random, and it doesn't punish a leading car. What it does is prevent Redbull from finishing the season 3 races out.

In fact what Bernie should have done as well is to have points handed out for every finishing position.
As that would speak to the reliability of the cars.
There will also be more emphasis on the lower finishing cars fighting for points they can actually get.

[bauc]

There is a chance that the double points for the last race will not go trough ....

This is the statement by Bernie for Autosport

"But it may well be that the rule is cancelled altogether at the next [Strategy Group] meeting in January. I think it should be the final three races or nothing.