Mclaren MP4-29 Pre-launch Speculation

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Felipe 92 wrote:@ScarbsF1 brought on Twitter this picture made by same man who made the last one. http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/mame_nafr/im ... d8c7c6.png
The problem I see with this design is that the width of the vanity panel makes it have such a small effect on moving the air flow underneath the nose where we think the designers will want it. It seems all the vanity panel, at least in this configuration, would do is create turbulent airflow, create more drag and add weight higher up and further forward in the car. To me at least, the next picture that looks similar but with 2 pylons and no vanity panel is similar to what most teams will use.

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Tha last one looks great, i hope at least some teams go for a similar Solution.
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Holm86 wrote:I know it has a slight aero effect. But that's just a small bonus. As far as I know the rules said something about besides smoothening the step no aero benefit was allowed. Otherwise teams would have molded the vanity panel into a wing or diverter.
I'd argue the 2013 Sauber did that
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raymondu999 wrote:
Holm86 wrote:I know it has a slight aero effect. But that's just a small bonus. As far as I know the rules said something about besides smoothening the step no aero benefit was allowed. Otherwise teams would have molded the vanity panel into a wing or diverter.
I'd argue the 2013 Sauber did that
How so? All they did was use strakes to channel the air up the middle of the nose. Yes this has the effect of reducing turbulence over the hump and separating the air flow on the side of the nose from the top of the nose but compared to other teams vanity panels...nothing special

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Felipe 92 wrote:
Holm86 wrote:
Felipe 92 wrote:@ScarbsF1 brought on Twitter this picture made by same man who made the last one. http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/mame_nafr/im ... d8c7c6.png
Its not legal. It has to have two pylons attached to the front wing.
On his twitter account I found this one. This one has 2 pylons attached to the front wing.

http://s15.postimg.org/uyecon517/1387204333439.jpg

And the most beautiful one (in my opinion)
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that looks exactly like that failure of a HRT
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trinidefender wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:
Holm86 wrote:I know it has a slight aero effect. But that's just a small bonus. As far as I know the rules said something about besides smoothening the step no aero benefit was allowed. Otherwise teams would have molded the vanity panel into a wing or diverter.
I'd argue the 2013 Sauber did that
How so? All they did was use strakes to channel the air up the middle of the nose.
Yes - the strakes are the vanity panel lol
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raymondu999 wrote:
trinidefender wrote:
raymondu999 wrote: I'd argue the 2013 Sauber did that
How so? All they did was use strakes to channel the air up the middle of the nose.
Yes - the strakes are the vanity panel lol
I understand this. The point was being made that somehow sauber was using the vanity panel to have a larger aero effect than other teams which isn't really the case

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Not "bigger" - but "different" - the vanity panel clearly had aero purposes. It was in reply to:
Holm86 wrote:As far as I know the rules said something about besides smoothening the step no aero benefit was allowed. Otherwise teams would have molded the vanity panel into a wing or diverter
Does the Sauber vanity panel not count as a "vane" or "diverter?"
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mclaren mp4 29 will be unveiled 25 january with an innovative new suspension and orange livery

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heimana wrote:mclaren mp4 29 will be unveiled 25 january with an innovative new suspension and orange livery
Source??

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+ sponsor

why orange?

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akshat21 wrote: Source??
This should be the Source: http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/33380/ ... 25-gennaio

Behold Google Translator:

McLaren is expected to present its MP4 -29 Saturday, January 25, 2014 , just in time to send the car in Spain for the first session of collective testing at Jerez. The date is not official yet , but the team from Woking asked if the day was free to avoid overlapping with other teams. The trend , in fact, is the maximum delay of the birth of the new cars to give technical offices a few more days to work on the development of the cars. The Ferrari has not yet finalized its calendar , it certainly will not make an event like that this year marked the launch of the F138 at Maranello , but will see the car in the last week of January.

STOP PULL TO THE FRONT The team of Martin Whitmarsh , however, must also give a political address to the team that will run Jenson Button and rookie Kevin Magnussen . The team loses the title sponsor Vodafone , so it is possible that the new car will be presented with the original orange color so dear to Rob Dennis . The MP4 -29 will be the result of the work of Matt Morris , the former Sauber , coordinated by the Technical Director Tim Goss . The design of the car, as we had anticipated, will represent a clean break with the disappointing car of this year. It certainly will not have the front suspension layout pull-rod , nor the performance of the chassis as high as the MP4 -28 , returning to a design philosophy that in the past he had always paid.

REAR SUSPENSION INNOVATIVE It is confirmed that the presentation we will see a innovative rear suspension that could give way to a more traditional solution at the first session of testing at Jerez : Woking do not want to bogged in projects that may affect your performance in a year where the changes will be drastic for the revolution of the Regulation.

MOTOR MERCEDES A PAYMENT McLaren for a year will have the engine of the Mercedes V6 Turbo : this provision will be paid and the treatment that will be accorded to the team Whitmarsh will be the team's client. The technicians at Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains based in Brixworth
( in the UK in Northamptonshire ) are not too willing to give information on the power- unit because they fear that there may be a transfer of data that might end up with Honda , the House which is the window of the Circus for a year, waiting to provide their own stable of Woking in 2015 .

THE V6 TURBO COMES WITH PETRONAS AND MOBIL The lift after the worst season in Formula 1 since the McLaren was taken over by Ron Dennis, will not be easy . There is another aspect to emphasize in particular : the German engine was born with the lubricant of Petronas and all the development work on the reliability has been carried out with researchers Villastellone , while McLaren will use the oil of Mobil , continuing a partnership established .
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heimana wrote:mclaren mp4 29 will be unveiled 25 january with an innovative new suspension and orange livery
mclaren mp4 29 MIGHT be unveiled 25 january with an innovative new suspension and MIGHT HAVE orange livery

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I have my doubts about the Orange Livery. Sure it looks fabulous but since the new Title Sponsor is unveiled with the Car it must be a perfect coincidence if they' are Orange.

I think they will stay with the Chrome and just change the Red parts to whatever the new Sponsor says.

As to the Suspension: What would be the sense to reveal a new and possibly great development if you don't bring it to the Test Weekend? That would give the other Teams an Advantage to copy it maybe even to the First Race.
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Wait, so pushrod at the front suspension returns?