The Fanboy Yin Yang Thread

[Manoah2u]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24903504

long quote from BBC

well, my respect for Mclaren just hit rock bottom. =D> my all time favourite team, acting in a manner i wouldn't even expect Ferrari to behave.

That's low. really low of mclaren. really low. With all the respect for Magnussen, I have zero knowledge about the guy but some F3.5 statistics, and can't compare him to anyone. But to dump Serigo like this, is beyond me. They 'calculated' he couldnt come upt to JB's speed? if it wasn't for a team order he would have beat alonso in Malaysia '12!! I think this Mexican deserves better! He was promised a great car with a great future and has gotten sh*t and now gets more of that?
Wow. just wow.

So, Cheko to ForceIndia, Magnussen @ Mcl.
To refrain to whitmars's words on the Hamilton splitting:
I hope they'll regret dumping him, I hope force india now is going to BEAT MCLAREN in the WCC, and I hope next year then will be another dog car for MCL. and now I hope Brawn will not be heading out to Macca. Cheko, show 'em what you can do in a Merc-powered ForceIndia, and bring your Telmex money there. I hope Carlos Slim will not back the traitors with his funding and instead hammer it down to FI. So it'll be JackJones on the Mcl next year I guess.

Now, that means we have 2 'brits' @ Force India next year.

[iotar__]

Hopefully FIA will be more mindful this time and they'll flatten kerbs before flattening any decency in applying penalties when Alonso decides to blatantly break the rules. Unlike stewards stupid kerbs might not know it's him in a Ferrari. F1 at its best waxing about delicate sensitivities of liars after booing and ignoring this.

Lotus is going with with Mr no-race-pace/no-race-skills/no-motivation, qualifying OK. 1 opposite, 4 similar. Are they held hostage?

Pirelli says it's around two stops race but I don't know how. 'Track evolution", mediums slow/not durable in the race, hot weather? "Around" two means one, boring one. Two - also boring.

[beelsebob]

button can't handle torque oversteer? what utter bs, have you forgotten his stunning win in the wet canadian GP where he flew past everybody? including 'rainking' schumacher, hamilton [who crashed] etc.?

Personally, I think this whole argument is invalidated by the fact that you're ignoring that Hamilton crashed, because he was faster than Button, was overtaking Button, and Button drove into him.

[SectorOne]

button can't handle torque oversteer? what utter bs, have you forgotten his stunning win in the wet canadian GP where he flew past everybody? including 'rainking' schumacher, hamilton [who crashed] etc.?

Button never flew past Hamilton in the race. It was the opposite, Hamilton was catching Button at an alarming rate and just attacked him straight away which caused the collision. Probably gained 2-3 car lengths on him from one corner alone.

(sorry if facts disrupts your world view downvoter, go watch the video instead)

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the guy who´s going to benefit the most next year is the man with the fastest car.
He will look flawless if the car is the best and the regulations will look like they are made for him.

[lebesset]

button can't handle torque oversteer? what utter bs, have you forgotten his stunning win in the wet canadian GP where he flew past everybody? including 'rainking' schumacher, hamilton [who crashed] etc.?

Personally, I think this whole argument is invalidated by the fact that you're ignoring that Hamilton crashed, because he was faster than Button, was overtaking Button, and Button drove into him.

very strange , button drove into him then hamilton said very sorry , my fault entirely ?
am ~I missing something here ? except hamilton was trying the impossible , even if button had seen him he couldn't pass !

http://www.streetfire.net/video/2011-f1 ... 268318.htm

[SectorOne]

even if button had seen him he couldn't pass!

Of course he could have. If Button sees Hamilton he´s not going to squeeze him.
He will maintain one car length and try to retain his advantage into T1.

[Manoah2u]

button can't handle torque oversteer? what utter bs, have you forgotten his stunning win in the wet canadian GP where he flew past everybody? including 'rainking' schumacher, hamilton [who crashed] etc.?

Personally, I think this whole argument is invalidated by the fact that you're ignoring that Hamilton crashed, because he was faster than Button, was overtaking Button, and Button drove into him.

first of all, your theory on the crash is wrong as the above member provides.
secondly, i was not referring to any part whether ham would have won the canadian gp.
i'm stating the mere fact button won that gp. from the BACK that may be.
as in response to the disregard to button's achievements in various seasons which actually prove of anybody,
he would be most capable of excelling in changing conditions - in direct contradiction to what others have
stated without any credible base [i wouldn't go so far as calling it 'haterism' though].

just look back at the canadian gp and his overtake of 2 drivers in 2 corners including schumacher in the wet at
final corner then on the straight. button's driving skills are among the very best.

[Manoah2u]

even if button had seen him he couldn't pass!

Of course he could have. If Button sees Hamilton he´s not going to squeeze him.
He will maintain one car length and try to retain his advantage into T1.

hamilton was going for a rediculous gap that wasn't there. he did that various times thruoghout the year,
which effictively cost him his championship, and not just that year. remember singapore? his multiple
run-ins with massa? touches with webber and vettel?
you can call it unlucky but the fact still is, hamilton was too hot headed in the midst of the game,
whereas button knows bringing in the car in one piece values more.

again never was there a discussion of whether button is better then hamilton. it's there is more then enough
evidence button is a driver that will excell under changing circumstances, and that'll be of most value next year.

[beelsebob]

button can't handle torque oversteer? what utter bs, have you forgotten his stunning win in the wet canadian GP where he flew past everybody? including 'rainking' schumacher, hamilton [who crashed] etc.?

Personally, I think this whole argument is invalidated by the fact that you're ignoring that Hamilton crashed, because he was faster than Button, was overtaking Button, and Button drove into him.

very strange , button drove into him then hamilton said very sorry , my fault entirely ?
am ~I missing something here ? except hamilton was trying the impossible , even if button had seen him he couldn't pass !

Right, it's impossible – that's how Alonso made exactly that move on Hamilton this year, and didn't get hit

Hamilton apologised because he was in the middle of the biggest image management exercise of his life at the time.

[beelsebob]

even if button had seen him he couldn't pass!

Of course he could have. If Button sees Hamilton he´s not going to squeeze him.
He will maintain one car length and try to retain his advantage into T1.

hamilton was going for a rediculous gap that wasn't there. he did that various times thruoghout the year,
which effictively cost him his championship, and not just that year. remember singapore? his multiple
run-ins with massa? touches with webber and vettel?
you can call it unlucky but the fact still is, hamilton was too hot headed in the midst of the game,
whereas button knows bringing in the car in one piece values more.

again never was there a discussion of whether button is better then hamilton. it's there is more then enough
evidence button is a driver that will excell under changing circumstances, and that'll be of most value next year.

Well, the point being made was that Hamilton was driving significantly faster than him in the squirty conditions. Button was not handling the conditions as well as Hamilton was.

[Manoah2u]

yet race results provide button actually did. because HAM = DNF and BUT = WIN.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsp ... 511066.stm

Button himself made five pit stops on his way to victory as well as an enforced visit to the pits for a drive-through penalty for speeding under the safety car.

Button described the win as possibly the best of his career.

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"He just attacked and attacked and delivered a fantastic race. We knew he had to put pressure on Sebastian - and Sebastian made a mistake. From Jenson, that's the stuff of champions, that's the stuff of dreams."

The drama in one of the most sensational races for years began almost as soon as the drivers were released on lap five, and Hamilton was at the centre of it.

First he collided with Webber, who gave him room at the first corner only for the McLaren to slip off the kerb and into the Australian.

Webber spun and Hamilton had to go around the outside of the Red Bull, rejoining behind Button.

Determined to make up ground, Hamilton pressed his team-mate hard. Button made a mistake at the final chicane at the end of lap eight and Hamilton saw his chance.

He dodged out from behind Button to his team-mate's left but Button continued on the racing line, edging towards the pit wall, apparently looking in his mirror.

Hamilton kept coming and became pincered between Button and the pit wall. The two cars collided, spraying debris over the track.

Hamilton said: "While I fell back behind Jenson, he made a mistake into the last corner, so I got the run on him.

Button was last when the race was restarted on lap 40 but he fought his way through the field thanks to choosing the right time to change to intermediate tyres and then dry-weather slick tyres.

here are some facts for you.

more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Canadian_Grand_Prix

The stewards did not impose a penalty on Button for his collisions with Hamilton having judged that no driver was to blame in either incident. Hamilton agreed with the stewards that Button did not intentionally collide with him, and although he felt he was alongside Button at the time, later reflected that "he probably hadn't spotted me"

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/06/13/2 ... -analysis/

http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2011/6/12182.html

[lebesset]

as you can see from the video , hamilton hit button's back wheel , hardly alongside ~I would have thought

but what has this all got to do with the thread ?

[beelsebob]

as you can see from the video , hamilton hit button's back wheel , hardly alongside ~I would have thought

but what has this all got to do with the thread ?

Actually, this was the incident, along with a few others that year, that got the "along side" definition clarified. But again, the collision is irrelevant – Hamilton was driving significantly faster than button in the squirty conditions.

[Juzh]

Button drove into hamilton who had massive momentum going on and would pull at least half a car length in front of button on that straight had button not ran into him. And it was button who ran into hamilton, because hamilton is holding the line and button is turning in on him. Pretty similar situation to turkey 2010 actually. Webber strictly held the line while vettel was trying to squeez him. Here hamilton went for the gap, holds his line on the left side and button just foolishly closes the door on him. Ham got a run on him because guess what... he was faster.

[Jonnycraig]

as you can see from the video , hamilton hit button's back wheel , hardly alongside ~I would have thought

but what has this all got to do with the thread ?

Actually, this was the incident, along with a few others that year, that got the "along side" definition clarified..

Eh? That clarification came post Bahrain 2012...

"Every time you leave the space"...

Right, it's impossible – that's how Alonso made exactly that move on Hamilton this year, and didn't get hit .

Alonso went around the outside as Hamilton went defensive. Hamilton drove into a gap that was always going to close, squeezed against the pitwall.