Red Bull RB10 Pre-launch Speculation

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beelsebob wrote:
Thunders wrote:I don't see a Hole there.
It's above the "nose" and below the nose. Though if you replaced the two front wing supports with a single central one (which would likely be better for air flow, that would get rid of the hole.
Its not a hole tho since the lower part is the nosetip and thats where you arent allowed to have holes.

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Huntresa wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
Thunders wrote:I don't see a Hole there.
It's above the "nose" and below the nose. Though if you replaced the two front wing supports with a single central one (which would likely be better for air flow, that would get rid of the hole.
Its not a hole tho since the lower part is the nosetip and thats where you arent allowed to have holes.
I can't seem to find the regulations about the usage of vanity panels in 2014, can someone help me out with finding the articles concerning this part of the car?

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beelsebob wrote:
Thunders wrote:I don't see a Hole there.
It's above the "nose" and below the nose. Though if you replaced the two front wing supports with a single central one (which would likely be better for air flow, that would get rid of the hole.
If the bottom plow like part is not quite touching the wing pillars, i wouldn't class it as a hole.

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Also you can attach it to only one pylon, lefting only a paper thin gap on the other side. But it could be still illegal.

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kalinka wrote:Also you can attach it to only one pylon, lefting only a paper thin gap on the other side. But it could be still illegal.
Surely you would have difficulty with the minimum-radius rules if you tried to leave a paper-thin gap. Would it not have to be curved at the non-attached end?

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kalinka wrote:Also you can attach it to only one pylon, lefting only a paper thin gap on the other side. But it could be still illegal.
you wouldn't need to bother with that, just don't attach it at all.

i'm sure it would have to be symmetrical about the centre line anyway (pylon wise) - to which that wouldn't be

I came up with a rough idea of being able to keep the high nose like this months ago - the idea was there anyway :)
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 34#p438234

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astracrazy wrote:you wouldn't need to bother with that, just don't attach it at all.
Yes, it's possible, but again, that lower structure has to be the impact structure which will be crash-tested, so you can't make it from some thin CF, and also it should comply with a 9000mm2 rule too. So it would look like you have two nosecones on top of another no ? So you have to make the "upper nose" from very thin CF to have minimal CG penalty...but I don't know if even this is possible within the regulations - also what are the benefits in this case ?

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lio007 wrote:the RB10 could be look like this (by Matt Sommerfield)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TGSZWohUETo/U ... 0/RB10.jpg
It was only a quick drawing I amended to suit an Infiniti competition... Anyway the cross under tunnel even without the coanda exhaust is still relevant in isolating the airflow around the Sidepod and makes it so you can place it's flow wherever you like. Remember the successful ramp/tunnel was iteration number 3 and still got changed periodically there onwards to suit other changes. Not sure I see where the FW is wrong either but as I said it's only a diagram to support a competition.
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the EDGE wrote:Is that legal?

I thought there could not be a hole in the nose except for driver cooling
You could easily avoid the problem with the hole by mounting the pylon on the lower structure. Since that is the crash test relevant structure anyway it would also structurally make sense. Combining this with the B-type nose might be an interesting approach since I'm not aware of a minimum height/maximum width of the 9000 mm^2 whereas there is a maximum height and thus minimum width.
A problem might be that the width of the nose may not decrease at any point when moving from front to back. I'm not 100% sure if this only has to be fulfilled when viewed from above but I think so. In which case it would not be much of a problem.

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Yes that would do away with the hole however the teams are only allowed a thin vanity panel to smooth airflow

What you are suggesting is the whole top part is such, a thin vanity panel?

I thinks scarbs may have been referring to another solution proposed in the forum somewhere

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the EDGE wrote:Yes that would do away with the hole however the teams are only allowed a thin vanity panel to smooth airflow

What you are suggesting is the whole top part is such, a thin vanity panel?
what I'm basically suggesting is to have a high nose from which a pylon which is part of the crash structure is mounted.
At the bottom of the pylon would be the lower horizontal surface similar to the snowplow design, also being part of the crash structure. The 9000mm^2 would be composed of this horizontal surface plus a part of the (angled to the rear) pylon.
The Front Wing attachment pylons would be mounted on the lower side of the horizontal surface.

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This photo of the RB10 is true?
I just found it on twitter
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http://www.newsf1.it
https://twitter.com/Graftechweb

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FW is definitely too wide. Think its the RB9. But could be the RB10 with a 13 FW.

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No. You can clearly see the exhaust ramp.