Liveries and aesthetic exercises

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Speaking of Pacific, here is their website frozen in time: http://www.pacificgrandprix.com
"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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Pierce89 wrote:What is Lucozade? Is it like a European version of Gatorade or Powerade?
It's kinda like Gatorade except it's carbonated. :wtf:

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stefan_ wrote:
Speaking of Pacific, here is their website frozen in time: http://www.pacificgrandprix.com
wow awesome link, that's cool to look at just how much websites changed in time, i kinda forgot about the 'old' style [cheap] webpages. cool that it still excists, doesn't that cost money? :wtf:
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
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Manoah2u wrote:
stefan_ wrote:
Speaking of Pacific, here is their website frozen in time: http://www.pacificgrandprix.com
wow awesome link, that's cool to look at just how much websites changed in time, i kinda forgot about the 'old' style [cheap] webpages. cool that it still excists, doesn't that cost money? :wtf:
I was wondering that too. Someone should have paid a hosting fee for the website to be online for all these years.
"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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could it perhaps be running on a HP server still? i noted HP links are still working while rest isn't.
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"

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Domain Name: PACIFICGRANDPRIX.COM
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com
Update Date: 2013-11-29 15:13:16
Creation Date: 2006-11-28 19:21:16
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2014-11-28 19:21:16
Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC
Registrant Name: M Karp
Registrant Organization: Websiteware, Inc.
Registrant Street: PO Box 4
Registrant City: Palisades
Registrant State/Province: New York
Registrant Postal Code: 10964
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Phone: +1.9999999999
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: webmaster@mksys.com
Sorry its not the original site, but one registered recently in comparison to the age of the team, It may be the original files from the Archives hence all the links not working.


Feels good to be able to contribute something to this site rather than just read - shame its not direct F1 Knowledge :lol:

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Maybe the 2006 part it's the date it was moved to another server or something like that, because I think that's the original site. Someone who knew the website in 1995 can tell us if it's the real deal one or not.
"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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stefan_ wrote:Maybe the 2006 part it's the date it was moved to another server or something like that, because I think that's the original site. Someone who knew the website in 1995 can tell us if it's the real deal one or not.

The 2006 part is the date the domain was registered, what happens with domains is they do expire, and if you let a domain expire, which takes around 4 calender months from the actual expiry date listed on whois, when you re-register it the creation date is reset and any history it has is deleted

the update date, which in this case is in november last year could be a renewal or a server move.

It is backed up by the wayback machine of archive.org, which shows it has not known about a website for pacific grand prix before 2003, see https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://ww ... ndprix.com as a reference, with its oldest records being something completely unrelated to the grand prix team.. https://web.archive.org/web/20030728004 ... dprix.com/

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look at that email address, info@grandprix.com
Maybe the grandprix.com guys got a hand in this. Pretty suspicious thing, that the last modification dates back to october of 1995, but on the site, there is no sign, that in 95, the team was called Pacific Team Lotus.
However, all the links are working for me on the website

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There is the Team Lotus logo in the press releases (ex.: http://www.pacificgrandprix.com/results/prbra3.html) that seem to be the original ones. Curious thing.
"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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actually, pacific merged with dying team lotus in 1995.
Pacific were initially referred to as Pacific Team Lotus and their car featured a green stripe with the Lotus logo.
so yes, it could be said, that pacific, even though they fumbled, are in fact, the true and real remains of what used to be the original Team Lotus - even though the pacific team doesn't exist either anymore, so essentially, non-existant.

the sad thing is that the lotus f1 team running today has nothing to do with the real team lotus.
Lotus F1 team is basically nothing more then Toleman>Benneton>RenaultF1 and quite frankly, the Genii F1 team.
The only lotus link is they have a branding partner in Group Lotus, which owns Lotus Cars [owned by proton], which originally was the business venture of Colin Chapman for car sales, and thus was NOT the real Team Lotus F1 outfit.

Caterham however, might be concidered to be the more 'genuine' Lotus outfit. Originally named as Lotus Racing formed by 1Malaysia, it had Proton's permission to use the Lotus name [Proton being the owner of Lotus Cars]. The Lotus racing team
was formed after intent of the Litespeed F3 team which was to enter F1 with Team Lotus name, in collaboration with Mike Gascoyne, but was denied an grid entry. Lotus Racing would officially enter the 2011 f1 season as TEAM LOTUS, having bought the rights to the company Team Lotus Ventures Ltd in ownership of David Hunt [nephew of] since the 1994 fumbling of Team Lotus. So in the end, in essence, Caterham F1, REALLY is the REAL and true TEAM LOTUS since tony fernandes bought the company, and NOT the Lotus F1 team.

the only reason Tony Fernandes isn't using the name anymore, is because of the wishes of the family members of Colin Chapman which preffered the name not be used.

It's really sad actually, because truth be that Tony Fernandes' 1Malaysia business group really are the ones who brought lotus back into F1, in collaboration with the lotus cars owner proton. Unfortunately, Dany Bahar seems to be involved to be the driving force bringing in a dispute between LotusCars [back then Bahar was CEO there] and 1Malaysia [Team Lotus]. A year ago however, Dany Bahar was fired of LotusCars supposedly over improper and unapproved business spendings.
It was Actually Tony Fernandes who wanted to run Gold-Black JPSreminiscent livery for the 2011 Team Lotus outfit.
However, DanyBahar's Lotuscars joined forces with Genii [that 'bought' Renualt F1 team], and became title sponsor for Genii F1 team. They chose to go for a black-and-gold livery [how original!]. Resulting in 2 Lotus teams. essentially the 'real' Team Lotus outfit and the Lotus cars outfit.
Over 2011 various court battles were fought in the end resulting Tony Fernandes could maintain his Team Lotus name.
So in essence, that means the caterham team was and is the real Team Lotus.
The team only was baptised into Caterham F1 team because of wishes of the Chapman family not to use the name,
and the intent of Tony Fernandes to run a business and because of that bought Caterham cars.

So the sad part of the story is, that, the real and true original people intending to 'revive' Team Lotus was Litespeed F3 team, paired with mike gascoyne, paired with Tony Fernandez, they managed to do just that - but because of the likes of Dany Bahar, whom now is fired, Team Lotus doesn't exist either way but is running as Caterham cars, while the team carrying the Lotus F1 name ,really isn't lotus F1, but Proton Genii F1 Team. figure that!

perhaps thus, in a way, you could say, since pacific merged with Team Lotus, and Tony Fernandes has bought Team Lotus in 2011 and the F1 team was baptised into CaterhamF1,
CaterhamF1, is in a sence the Pacific F1 team. #-o :wtf:
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"

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Well, they are based in Norfolk...

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Could be Williams livery for 2014!!!

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