Lotus E22 Renault

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Rhodium
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sorry for my bad english...


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Of course it is not the real car but also it is not joke as it is render of 3d model. Therefore it is easy to put light that will not cast shadows but make only highlights etc... Imho, the real car will be very similar to it.

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and for bad perspective ?
and for all "?" about pixel on nose ?

i can't beleive Lotus is not able to make a 3D model without pixel problem.

light is not the same for wing and for top of nose.

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This is not a place to explain how scene setup works in 3d software but believe me there is no conspiracy behind that image ;)

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Rhodium wrote:sorry for my bad english...


https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/524x4 ... /92nve.jpg
What you're seeing is the effect of multiple lights. This certainly is a 3D render, but any photographer will tell you that you absolutely can see this kind of effect in real life too, simply by having multiple lights of different brightnesses, and sizes. The one casting the shadow is likely to be a very bright, but relatively small light source, while the one lighting the wheel is likely to be a fairly large, diffuse, soft light.

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beelsebob wrote:
Rhodium wrote:sorry for my bad english...


https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/524x4 ... /92nve.jpg
What you're seeing is the effect of multiple lights. This certainly is a 3D render, but any photographer will tell you that you absolutely can see this kind of effect in real life too, simply by having multiple lights of different brightnesses, and sizes. The one casting the shadow is likely to be a very bright, but relatively small light source, while the one lighting the wheel is likely to be a fairly large, diffuse, soft light.
Beelsebob that's a really good explanation, if there was only one light source the shadow would be darker and more shaped or extreme and not as grey and shoft as it looks in this render. There are few sources of light, but as every 3D or with studio lighting you can shadow areas you don't want people see for example the front wing, making sure there is not much detail.

In these render there are at least 4 sources of light two coming from each sides of the car, highlighting the sides.
One from the top directed towards the front, more or less from over the driver position, that's why the wheels have some highlights on the top.
And last, another one from top too, over a bit in front of the front wing area and it is directed to the back of the car. This last light is stronger that the other one, erasing any shadow trace from the light over the driver area and creating the shadows you see on the render.

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NathanOlder wrote:So surely this is not what Lotus are launching with. Its just a fake to get others thinking and wasting time exploring the same idea.
Teams are not going to waste time, money, and personnel chasing another team's nose design at this point. They'd have to redo crash testing and aero all over the car. Not to mention they have bigger fish to fry making sure the engines are reliable as possible.

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Lotus E22 will understeer and be tough to drive predicts F1 tech guru

Read more http://grandprix247.com/2014/01/26/lotu ... tech-guru/

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acosmichippo wrote:
NathanOlder wrote:So surely this is not what Lotus are launching with. Its just a fake to get others thinking and wasting time exploring the same idea.
Teams are not going to waste time, money, and personnel chasing another team's nose design at this point. They'd have to redo crash testing and aero all over the car. Not to mention they have bigger fish to fry making sure the engines are reliable as possible.
yes, but pictures aren't on the official website, only on twitter and facebook.
when you see the poor quality of pixel on nose, you can imagine is just a photoshop.

i imagine, it's just a buzz for nothing,
they said: "we don't want to go at jerez, just because others team can see the new car".
why make some picture and put on web after this interview ?

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LookBackTime wrote:Lotus E22 will understeer and be tough to drive predicts F1 tech guru

Read more http://grandprix247.com/2014/01/26/lotu ... tech-guru/
It's a good thing Kimi left :P

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Rhodium wrote:
acosmichippo wrote:
NathanOlder wrote:So surely this is not what Lotus are launching with. Its just a fake to get others thinking and wasting time exploring the same idea.
Teams are not going to waste time, money, and personnel chasing another team's nose design at this point. They'd have to redo crash testing and aero all over the car. Not to mention they have bigger fish to fry making sure the engines are reliable as possible.
yes, but pictures aren't on the official website, only on twitter and facebook.
when you see the poor quality of pixel on nose, you can imagine is just a photoshop.

i imagine, it's just a buzz for nothing,
they said: "we don't want to go at jerez, just because others team can see the new car".
why make some picture and put on web after this interview ?
where did they say that? everything I've seen says the car was just not ready, not that they didn't want anyone to see it.

It is obviously just a 3D render, that was never in question. Probably because the actual car isn't fully put together yet. And I do see it at http://www.lotusf1team.com, not sure where you're looking.

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Only Boullier said ''we want to hide our secrets''... but Boulliers says alot of BS...

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LookBackTime wrote:Lotus E22 will understeer and be tough to drive predicts F1 tech guru

Read more http://grandprix247.com/2014/01/26/lotu ... tech-guru/
Whilst I don't question that guy's knowledge and experience, I don't know how any conclusions can be drawn when he has no access to the correct aero and downforce data, the 'photos' only show a limited amount of the detail and frankly the design of front wing and other aero details are unlikely to be the same as in publicity photos anyway!

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Blackout wrote:Only Boullier said ''we want to hide our secrets''... but Boulliers says alot of BS...
Given the haemorrhage of Lotus staff to other teams since the end of last season, do you think any F1 team didn't know of the Lotus nose design by now?

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Others probably know, but what can they do about it? It's not like you're bolting on Lotus' nosecone on the Ferrari and the F14-T has the same behaviour as the E22.
"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985