Mclaren Mercedes 2014

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Agreed, if there really is a sponsor trying to choose between the two, Lotus' complete meltdown over the past month will have made the decision for them.

Of course, Dennis would know that would strengthen his position, and would toughen his negotiating stance accordingly.

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Pup wrote:Agreed, if there really is a sponsor trying to choose between the two, Lotus' complete meltdown over the past month will have made the decision for them.

Of course, Dennis would know that would strengthen his position, and would toughen his negotiating stance accordingly.
Complete meltdown for me is fifth place, no podiums, losing technical director before the season and usually fighting for places 8-12, 1,5 seconds (or whatever) behind leaders. That's 2013 reality and what will happen in 2014 is unknown except for change of team principal, one rookie driver, one driver past his best and general transition season before change of engine supplier. Disadvantage of not being engine manufacturer is similar. As for losing personnel McL had their fair share over the previous seasons: Fry and others to Ferrari, Lowe etc., they also lost Santander, Vodafone and other sponsors.

Can't comment on logic and requirements of potential sponsors - McLaren may be a better option (Honda deal- strength on financial and engine exclusivity level, overall better financial position) but it's far from a no-brainer. If it were - the deal would already have happened. Quality of Honda engine compared to competitors is unknown and they may be behind in 2015. Argument from previous post about space on the car is bizarre - did you notice big Genii sign on side-pods? Space on the car for sponsors is the least of Lotus' problems. Imagine that someone offers them +10 million and they say - sorry we don't have space, we like Genii sign better :wink: .

As for high bargaining position of McLaren/Dennis because of Lotus situation delaying a deal - I doubt that's the case, they may not need money immediately but it's not like sponsors are tripping over each other to get to F1, especially big sponsors. To be honest I'm not convinced Lotus and McL are "fighting" for one particular sponsor. What's the evidence, speculation from one Amus article?

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iotar__ wrote:Complete meltdown for me is fifth place, no podiums, losing technical director before the season and usually fighting for places 8-12, 1,5 seconds (or whatever) behind leaders. That's 2013 reality and what will happen in 2014 is unknown except for change of team principal, one rookie driver, one driver past his best and general transition season before change of engine supplier. Disadvantage of not being engine manufacturer is similar. As for losing personnel McL had their fair share over the previous seasons: Fry and others to Ferrari, Lowe etc., they also lost Santander, Vodafone and other sponsors.
Holy ---, so much bullshit. Who cares if they singed many new engineers from other teams, even the most important RBR duo besides Newey, ha? Complete meltdown!
they also lost Santander, Vodafone and other sponsors.
That is a lie. Santander is still their partner, they even renewed partnership a few days ago. They only lost Vodafone. Neale said that this year the team will have the biggest budget in the history.

Comparing Lotus and McLaren is just dumb.

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Sources from McLaren have spoken to F1Today.net and revealed that Eric Boullier will attend the Jerez test with the team.
http://www.f1today.net/en/news/boullier ... th-mclaren

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Pup wrote:
Sources from McLaren have spoken to F1Today.net and revealed that Eric Boullier will attend the Jerez test with the team.
http://www.f1today.net/en/news/boullier ... th-mclaren
Superb.

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Why No McLaren driver Helmet design's yet?
McLaren Mercedes

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Pup wrote:
Sources from McLaren have spoken to F1Today.net and revealed that Eric Boullier will attend the Jerez test with the team.
http://www.f1today.net/en/news/boullier ... th-mclaren
That is a more gossip type of website.. instead of bringing real news.
Just so u know
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Well just to put a fly in the ointment...Pitpass has this story.

Contacted by Pitpass a McLaren spokesman rubbished the suggestion that Boullier will be at Jerez "with" his team.
"No, as is the case with a small but irritating number of so-called news stories on minor Formula 1 websites written by people who rarely check anything, that's utter nonsense,"
was the instant response when asked if there is any truth to the story.

http://www.pitpass.com/50801/McLaren-ru ... er-report?
JET set

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Well, you guys know what I think about pitpass. :lol:

Though McLaren did ask Sam to the dance, so it might be awkward if Boullier showed up.

FYI, the Guardian says it was the Bahrainis who picked Boullier...

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/j ... esignation

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Blank McLaren trucks in Jerez.

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wow, then we can actually assume the livery'll stay the same and no red shall appear :wtf:
would fit with a Sony sponsorship [perhaps next year tho].

Mclaren and Mercedes will look a bit more a like i think.
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Their trucks has looked like that for a long time. The only think absent is obviously the Vodafone logo which was red.

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Boullier to Red Bull more likely.

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No Mercedes engine if the car is painted orange and white.So sponsor is on hold.

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What would Boullier do at Red Bull? Definitely not TP.