Ferrari F14T

[Mr.G]

Any news about the turbo cover? Or is there some treat about this topic?

[hollowBallistix]

I'm failing to see how some are of the conclusion that this is an "outlet" ?

The air will flow from the right side of the picture towards the left once the car is in motion, and you can see the openings with channels that will allow air in, not out.

[Mr.G]

Because on the Ferrari you looking on par which is under an angle but looks like it's flat. Look at the picture taken from behind the F14 T and you can see inside the engine cover, so it must be outlet.

[iotar__]

I don't know if someone checked but Wikipedia says that designer of F14 T is Rory Byrne

Since anyone can edit wikipedia I would take that with a whole packet of salt...

There should be sources listed for claims like that, so I put a [citation needed] tag on it.

Wikipedia is sadly mostly garbage when it comes to F1 - fanatics and marketing departments. OT but funny: do you think there was a famous "McLaren spy gate"? Nope - it was "2007 Formula One espionage controversy" that included: "2.1 Allegations against Stepney 2.2 Allegations against Mike Coughlan 2.3 Allegations against Renault F1 2.4 FIA investigation". No McLaren name at all in the table of content and in the title, two blokes and the other F1 team instead (how?), no stealing, lying and corporate espionage by McLaren, remarkable! Add "controversy" to further dilute and manipulate.

Going back to Byrne, how about Ferrari itself for a source?
"Ferrari said Byrne, [...], would provide "operational support" to the design team" "Byrne is working as part of a team led by chief designer Nikolas Tombazis under technical director Pat Fry. The co-ordinator of the 2014 car under Tombazis is Italian Fabio Montecchi."
Old article, from 1 year ago - http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula-one/21411177 - Fry has a different role but they can't change designer backwards in time, someone had to "design" the damn thing at the time . I'd say apart from "operational support" Byrne provides strong "marketing support" as a throwback to good old times and proof they're doing everything they can. BTW remember magic floor in 2012?

[Mr.G]

Taken from the 3D video. I don't know if you can force the flow to go by the pink line without any scoop like Sauber has. It will more likely flow by the green path.

[hollowBallistix]

Because on the Ferrari you looking on par which is under an angle but looks like it's flat. Look at the picture taken from behind the F14 T and you can see inside the engine cover, so it must be outlet.

No you can't see inside for the rear, in the picture you posted all it shows is gets darker towards the bottom, that's just lighting, you can't actually see inside the engine cover, it's just the channels / ramps that are drawing air down & into the cover to feed something.

[Mr.G]

I'm dropping this topic during better pictures are available (hopefully tomorrow from Jerez).

[Just_a_fan]

http://www.newsf1.it/wp-content/uploads ... errari.jpg

I'm failing to see how some are of the conclusion that this is an "outlet" ?

The air will flow from the right side of the picture towards the left once the car is in motion, and you can see the openings with channels that will allow air in, not out.

Agreed. The opening on the Ferrari looks like an inlet, not an outlet.

[kreuzass]

Taken from the 3D video. I don't know if you can force the flow to go by the pink line without any scoop like Sauber has. It will more likely flow by the green path.


http://papermodelers.sk/hostimages2014/ ... 7AubA6.png

Sorry but i think it will not flow like the green path. Your first thought seems to be right (pink line). To me.

[miguelalvesreis]

Taken from the 3D video. I don't know if you can force the flow to go by the pink line without any scoop like Sauber has. It will more likely flow by the green path.

Why not? Try opening your car's window! Do you have any scoop on it? No? And the air comes inside?

[acosmichippo]

Wikipedia is sadly mostly garbage when it comes to F1 - fanatics and marketing departments. OT but funny: do you think there was a famous "McLaren spy gate"? Nope - it was "2007 Formula One espionage controversy" that included: "2.1 Allegations against Stepney 2.2 Allegations against Mike Coughlan 2.3 Allegations against Renault F1 2.4 FIA investigation". No McLaren name at all in the table of content and in the title, two blokes and the other F1 team instead (how?), no stealing, lying and corporate espionage by McLaren, remarkable! Add "controversy" to further dilute and manipulate.

Going back to Byrne, how about Ferrari itself for a source?
"Ferrari said Byrne, [...], would provide "operational support" to the design team" "Byrne is working as part of a team led by chief designer Nikolas Tombazis under technical director Pat Fry. The co-ordinator of the 2014 car under Tombazis is Italian Fabio Montecchi."
Old article, from 1 year ago - http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula-one/21411177 - Fry has a different role but they can't change designer backwards in time, someone had to "design" the damn thing at the time . I'd say apart from "operational support" Byrne provides strong "marketing support" as a throwback to good old times and proof they're doing everything they can. BTW remember magic floor in 2012?

I'm not sure what your ultimate point is, but from your quote, I'd say the "designer" credit should probably go to the chief designer Tombazis, not Byrne.

[acosmichippo]

Taken from the 3D video. I don't know if you can force the flow to go by the pink line without any scoop like Sauber has. It will more likely flow by the green path.

Why not? Try opening your car's window! Do you have any scoop on it? No? And the air comes inside?

sure it would, but the question is efficiency I think. an inlet like that would not draw in as much air as sauber's design, I think. I agree with Mr. G that it looks more like an outlet.

Furthermore, I think a lot of people are assuming it serves the same purpose as the Sauber scoop, which I think is jumping to conclusions. just because they have the same engine doesn't mean they decided on the same heat management, or whatever it is those holes are intended for.

[SectorOne]

Looking at the top image it´s quite clearly an inlet. It slopes inwards at the front and has a strong cutoff at the back.
To catch air. Create some low pressure inside the engine cover and it´s gonna suck in that air beautifully.

[turbof1]

The complex structure seems to suggest it attempts to put down an airflow structure. Perhaps it's just to energize the slower airflow behind the roll hoop, but it could also be to interact with the exhaust.

However, they have an agenda with it. Too much detail has been put in to be a simple outlet.

It however can't be an inlet. The air passing over it moves slower due the obstruction of the roll hoop. You want clean fast moving air in order to cool effectively.

[Mr.G]

Taken from the 3D video. I don't know if you can force the flow to go by the pink line without any scoop like Sauber has. It will more likely flow by the green path.

Why not? Try opening your car's window! Do you have any scoop on it? No? And the air comes inside?

Try it open just a little like this (about 2-3 cm) and hold a cigarette near the opening and let me know if the smoke is pushed into your car or sucked out...

But as I say before, I'll like to see more pictures. I think we will figure it out even if it is one way or the other.