Toro Rosso STR9 Renault

[el-Magico]

LOL, just look at the cooling outlets above the diffusor. No matter what lens is used. That Ferrari is quite a fatty. The only part where the Ferrari back is slimmer is the engine cover hump above the "beam wing".

I like big 'asses' anyway
But Manoah proves your wrong.. +1 for him (i'm not able yet to 'plus')

[gandharva]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfAC7EkIMAAxbi6.jpg:large

same car looks fatter in this picture, it's just camera angle and perspective.

Thanks for this pic. It perfectly shows my point. From this angle the Torro Rosso even looks slimmer. Even on the left side (the bad one because of angle) there is so much free space on the diffusor top. On the right side it looks like there is nothing at all.

[Manoah2u]

[Manoah2u]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfAC7EkIMAAxbi6.jpg:large

same car looks fatter in this picture, it's just camera angle and perspective.

Thanks for this pic. It perfectly shows my point. From this angle the Torro Rosso even looks slimmer. Even on the left side (the bad one because of angle) there is so much free space on the diffusor top. On the right side it even looks looks like there is everything free.

no it doesn't, it looks similar and even makes the toro rosso look bulkier and appears a higher COG due to the high and wide air outlet which ferrari has used much lower on the sides.

let's agree to disagree.

[henra]

If TR guys can pack Renault power unit this tight, I wonder what Newey made with RB10.
That doesn't look promising for non-RB fans.

That's what crossed my mind as well.
If the Renault Drive Unit is as compact as it looks here and if you you compare that to the rear bodywork of McLaren and the others I would be rather concerned if I were in their shoes.
Their primary hope could be reliability.

[Manoah2u]

or mclaren's engine power is significantly higher and will breeze past any renault car with ease, you can pack that up as tightly as you want, that's not gonna help you if you aren't near the same power level. unlikely that it will, but still, too early to tell.

apart from that, there can be extreme differences in design philosophy that 'nullifies' the packaging difference.

[gandharva]

It's like I ordered it. That's one tight ass! The wide outlet just above the beamwing could even be intended to help blowing it.

[dren]

Mclaren has the exhaust ducted up near the turbo exhaust. It is just a different design than the TR. The TR doesn't have the undercut that the Mclaren does. The designs do not mean one engine is automatically tighter than the other. The regulations are so tight that there will not be much of a difference between any power unit. The TR has a large intake behind the driver's head that the Mclaren doesn't have, also.

The only thing that's being blown is the monkey seat, but the exhaust will have most of its energy taken from the turbine, so the blowing will be very very little.

[Moanlower]

Dayum... and I thought i had a fat ugly nose

[Manoah2u]

NOW you can compare. not like you were wrong, just not the right picture to use as reference before.

good to have an overhead shot. look at the amount of floor that car is running.

[Crabbia]

If TR guys can pack Renault power unit this tight, I wonder what Newey made with RB10.
That doesn't look promising for non-RB fans.

That's what crossed my mind as well.
If the Renault Drive Unit is as compact as it looks here and if you you compare that to the rear bodywork of McLaren and the others I would be rather concerned if I were in their shoes.
Their primary hope could be reliability.

Honestly are you guys not seeing the fat engine cover? Or the huge gaping inlet above the drivers head?

[Manoah2u]

offcourse we see it, but the pictures can't be used as comparison because the angle doesnt add up.

[dren]

If TR guys can pack Renault power unit this tight, I wonder what Newey made with RB10.
That doesn't look promising for non-RB fans.

That's what crossed my mind as well.
If the Renault Drive Unit is as compact as it looks here and if you you compare that to the rear bodywork of McLaren and the others I would be rather concerned if I were in their shoes.
Their primary hope could be reliability.

Honestly are you guys not seeing the fat engine cover? Or the huge gaping inlet above the drivers head?

No joke!

[Matt Somers]

My thoughts on the car using images with thanks to Steven: http://somersf1.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/ ... lysis.html

i'm afraid you are wrong about driver cooling however

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfAE1IsCIAAkgtB.jpg:large
http://cdn.f1zone.net/news/wp-content/g ... str904.jpg

i assume you think that bulge above the cepsa logo has an intake? as you see it doesn't and the nose itself has an intake.

Yea unfortunately I jumped the gun before I'd seen a good shot of the front of the nose... I amended it straight after that

[henra]

Honestly are you guys not seeing the fat engine cover? Or the huge gaping inlet above the drivers head?

Of course we see it.
But in my eyes it's a good trade.
The bulk in the lower middle section doesn't hurt nearly as much since air is turbulent in that area anyway and no meaningful aerodynamic device will suffer seriously from that bulk. The Monkey Seat might take a small hit but that's a crappy aerodynamic device anyway (terrible l/d ratio).
Bulk in the lower rear floor section in contrast will mess up the efficiency of your diffuser. The diffuser is the aerodynamic device with the best l/d Ratio, by order of Magnitude for that matter.
Even the oil cooler will only slightly disturb airflow to the central section of the rear wing. Again the least effcient part of it anyway.