2014 Testing - Jerez 28-31 Jan

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muelte wrote:Probably lost front wing on main straight and ended in the barriers

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfEHOEPIUAAw6gP.jpg:large
Could that be the vanity panel attachment on the wing? Strange that they broke off at such different lengths and positions.
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The teams are only allowed to run 1,500km in testing maybe they're all (except Merc) saving this for Bahrain....... Or maybe the phrase booze up in a brewery was taken literally.

I know this web site is often slated for the armchair engineers but come on teams have hundreds of qualified people to do a job most people would kill for and after months of development only one team can complete more than 3 laps!
I'm hopefully over reacting and by March they'll be on top of the technology

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Del Boy wrote:The teams are only allowed to run 1,500km in testing
Are you sure of this? I don't think there's any restrictions on distance driven in testing.

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Del Boy wrote:The teams are only allowed to run 1,500km in testing maybe they're all (except Merc) saving this for Bahrain....... Or maybe the phrase booze up in a brewery was taken literally.

I know this web site is often slated for the armchair engineers but come on teams have hundreds of qualified people to do a job most people would kill for and after months of development only one team can complete more than 3 laps!
I'm hopefully over reacting and by March they'll be on top of the technology
Toro Rosso have done over 10 laps also. thats 2 teams :D
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Imagine the outrage if it was tyre failure. :twisted: Cars can fall apart- no safety problem, no claims of amateurish approach.

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99.99% front wing/nosecone failure
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Rikhart wrote:I will say this again, this is amateurish by the teams, they should have done all these kinds of systems checks ON THE FACTORIES.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

It's called testing for a reason. Why test, if they could check everything in the factory?
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xDama wrote: :roll: :roll: :roll:

It's called testing for a reason. Why test, if they could check everything in the factory?
A front wing can be tested in the factory, is not that hard. Engine, gearbox... that's more track test stuff, but front wing attatchment? I think that can be done in-house. Now they have to figure if it is a manufacturing problem or a design problem, like Marussia suffer a couple of years ago in Jerez

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The first day of testing is often just a series of installation laps.

They'll have a list of start up protocols as long as your arm before they attempt to set timed laps. Those protocols will have been developed in the factory. I suspect they'll be working on a fail safe basis, if there are any doubts they'll take a step back, reassemble then retest.

As Hamilton showed, rushing the installation can cause bigger delays. Merc are now back to the beginning and probably behind the teams who didn't rush.

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It looks like Wing doesn't come off from where it was attached to pylons. Something Else happened. Pylons are still attached to
the broken wing lying on the circuit.

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richard_leeds wrote:The first day of testing is often just a series of installation laps.

They'll have a list of start up protocols as long as your arm before they attempt to set timed laps. Those protocols will have been developed in the factory. I suspect they'll be working on a fail safe basis, if there are any doubts they'll take a step back, reassemble then retest.

As Hamilton showed, rushing the installation can cause bigger delays. Merc are now back to the beginning and probably behind the teams who didn't rush.
I find it quite "remarkable" how you link a front wing failure and doing installation laps together? Please explain how can you rush a front-wing on a car. The FW failed according to sources on track, you are suggesting that it wasn't attached accordingly because the mechanics rushed to car out of the garage? I find that really hard to believe.
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Peter Windsor‏@PeterDWindsor2 mins
Lewis's front wing failure occurred where pylons bond on to the hard centre structure. Team at first thought it was rear wing problem

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kooleracer wrote:
richard_leeds wrote:The first day of testing is often just a series of installation laps.

They'll have a list of start up protocols as long as your arm before they attempt to set timed laps. Those protocols will have been developed in the factory. I suspect they'll be working on a fail safe basis, if there are any doubts they'll take a step back, reassemble then retest.

As Hamilton showed, rushing the installation can cause bigger delays. Merc are now back to the beginning and probably behind the teams who didn't rush.
I find it quite "remarkable" how you link a front wing failure and doing installation laps together? Please explain how can you rush a front-wing on a car. The FW failed according to sources on track, you are suggesting that it wasn't attached accordingly because the mechanics rushed to car out of the garage? I find that really hard to believe.
No he's saying Lewis was possibly pushing too hard. It's possible they could have picked up fatigue on the component during one of the stops, but Lewis may have been pushing so hard that lap that it failed suddenly without warning.