Mercedes AMG F1 W05

[FoxHound]

Sigh....

[dans79]

Sigh....

I second this, I wish this wasn't a European based forum so I didn't always have to be nice and proper......


With regards to the nose how confident are people that it's a walrus? Scarbs seem to think it's just a better done f14 nose.

[turbof1]

Sigh....

I second this, I wish this wasn't a European based forum so I didn't always have to be nice and proper......


With regards to the nose how confident are people that it's a walrus? Scarbs seem to think it's just a better done f14 nose.

No scarbs says they integrated the nose into the pylons.

To ensure legality, the oversized sections of the front-wing pylons forming the nose tip have to stop 10mm above the front wing. So we see the actual front-wing mounts being far smaller and rearward under the 'fake' mountings.

Of course it's a better done f14T nose, but he doesn't say they integrated it the same way as Ferrari. Visually it looks like a ferrari nose, but the "visual" nose tip is actually too high to be legal. Yet they are driving with it, so it the whole structure must be legal. The only way to explain that is that they integrated the actual nose tip into one of the pylons. You can see that the pylons right beneath the nose are very thick, much thicker then pylons are actually allowed, but in reality it's the crash structure there that ensures both the minimal surface area and a low enough structural nose tip. The real pylons are beneath these structures (the very thin pieces of bodywork).

Me and Matt Somers had a lengthy discussion about this in the 2014 design topic. We concluded back then that such a design would simply be outlawed if a team ever dared to show up with this at the crash tests. But now it appears that the FIA allows it. The implication is that we will see an arms race: this concept is the best solution, and other teams will be copying this.

[FrukostScones]

deja-vu?

[FoxHound]

So a novel interpretation with a novel nose.
Requires a novel solution for the mounting point.
Im certain the team tested this to the loads it would have been exposed to.

The problem is that when dealing with novel situations, teething problems will inevitably occur.

I'm not absolving the team of blame here. But when mistakes happen, and they will happen for every team,
Fans should understand the situation and then hope the team learn from it.

As Newey said all these cars are subject to probably the biggest rule change ever in f1.

[dans79]

I wonder if the nose that broke on Lewis was a prototype. If you look at some of the official pre launch Merc photos, the teal stripe runs onto the nose and then fades out. The one on the car during the launch and run by Lewis today, just ends abruptly where the body meets the nose.

official:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfAaxpzCUAAmij8.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfDclKtCcAA_ntT.jpg:large

today:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfDXW7VIIAAarfG.jpg:large

[FoxHound]

@ turbo

I think the fia would be lynched in banning this nose.
There can be little argument to favour the "appendage" designs over the W05 solution. It looks the most elegant to my eyes.

@ dans79
I think they are the same but the angles on the pictures are distorting the view.

[dans79]

@ dans79
I think they are the same but the angles on the pictures are distorting the view.

Look close, I'm pretty confident about it, as you can see the seam lines in all the pics. The question is the nose run today actually different, or did someone just forget to paint it.

[turbof1]

@ turbo

I think the fia would be lynched in banning this nose.
There can be little argument to favour the "appendage" designs over the W05 solution. It looks the most elegant to my eyes.

@ dans79
I think they are the same but the angles on the pictures are distorting the view.

Visually it's very clean looking design, I absolutely agree with that.

However, this solution isn't simply against the spirit of the rules, it utterly destroys it. It's right there on the limit concerning where you can go with interpeting the regulations. In my eyes this is even more extreme then the double deck diffusers back in 2009, much more extreme actually.

It just shows the FIA has no spine.

[dans79]

However, this solution isn't simply against the spirit of the rules, it utterly destroys it. It's right there on the limit concerning where you can go with interpeting the regulations. In my eyes this is even more extreme then the double deck diffusers back in 2009, much more extreme actually.

I have always hated the spirit of the rules stuff. It always seems like the rule makers way of dealing with competitors that are smarter than they are. When it comes with F1, it seems more like a way for the fia or a favored team to keep up and coming teams down.

Rules should be back and white, and Personally I can't see how the w05 nose violates them. The only thing that I think can be questioned is the camera mounts.

[smlbstcbr]

@ dans79
I think they are the same but the angles on the pictures are distorting the view.

Look close, I'm pretty confident about it, as you can see the seam lines in all the pics. The question is the nose run today actually different, or did someone just forget to paint it.

It's the same, the perspective is deceiving your perception.

[beelsebob]

@ turbo

I think the fia would be lynched in banning this nose.
There can be little argument to favour the "appendage" designs over the W05 solution. It looks the most elegant to my eyes.

@ dans79
I think they are the same but the angles on the pictures are distorting the view.

Visually it's very clean looking design, I absolutely agree with that.

However, this solution isn't simply against the spirit of the rules, it utterly destroys it. It's right there on the limit concerning where you can go with interpeting the regulations. In my eyes this is even more extreme then the double deck diffusers back in 2009, much more extreme actually.

It just shows the FIA has no spine.

I actually don't understand why people are saying this is against the spirit of the rules... It's a low nose, that's what the FIA were trying to achieve, so that's absolutely within the spirit. Other than that, it's clearly the most beautiful interpretation, and also I expect the interpretation the FIA expected people to take.

What do you think is not spirit-worthy about it?

[Leon]

[tbeeornottbee]

Have seen a few people comment that the sidepods look quite slim, but I'm just not seeing it? Is there any way to accurately compare them with last years car and/or others from this year? They seem reasonably large, with the Ferrari powered cars having the smallest.

Also, not sure if it has been touched upon, but could this year's exhaust regs help Merc with their overheating tyre issues of the last 3-4 years? Obviously theres no way for the exhaust gases to interact with the tyres, at least not significantly. Might they have solved those problems with this car?

[krmx37]

Seriously guys, the teal-striped does not fade out like it does on the official pics, you can clearly see that on the picture !
The question is, if it is just a bad paint-job, or another nose..