Mercedes AMG F1 W05

[wesley123]

If those are the only cooling outlets, then surely a huge load of heat has to exit through those. Looks perfect for sealing the diffuser.

No. Cooling air is in no way good to use as a seal. It is dirty air that went through drag inducing radiators. Just because it has a slightly higher temperature than the ambient temperature, does not make it useful or better than normal air.

They could accelerate and smoothen the air intenally before ejecting it. Difficult to tell, but they do want that air somewhere specifically.

Then still you are dealing with the same thing. it is air that is a bit hotter than the ambient temperature, nothing special about it. It still isn't close to the exhaust temperature and neither does it have the energy.

[dans79]

just to prove I'm not seeing things, I have made the seam red in the two photos. You can see that in the one the nose has the teal stripes and it doesn't in the other.

[thomin]

just to prove I'm not seeing things, I have made the seam red in the two photos. You can see that in the one the nose has the teal stripes and it doesn't in the other.

Sure, so the nose wasn't painted properly. I'm sure they have several of them, what is your point?

[Lucien_Todutz]

Really guys, so much off topic because two strips of missing paint!? It's the car unveiled in the pit lane that also had this "bad" paint job ...check it out and let's end this.

[onewingedangel]

If the horizontal base of the nose is above the maximum intended due to the front base of one 'mounting' technically being the nose tip, whats to stop a team raising the horizontal nose base even higher again?

The teams with the protruberances would essentially be able to delete them as long as they could get the new impact structures to pass the crash test.

[turbof1]

If the horizontal base of the nose is above the maximum intended due to the front base of one 'mounting' technically being the nose tip, whats to stop a team raising the horizontal nose base even higher again?

The teams with the protruberances would essentially be able to delete them as long as they could get the new impact structures to pass the crash test.

Yes, but that's the catch: they need to pass the crash tests, and that isn't easy. Very difficult infact. But they will eventually and gradually be able to remove crash structure.

[turbof1]

@ turbo

I think the fia would be lynched in banning this nose.
There can be little argument to favour the "appendage" designs over the W05 solution. It looks the most elegant to my eyes.

@ dans79
I think they are the same but the angles on the pictures are distorting the view.

Visually it's very clean looking design, I absolutely agree with that.

However, this solution isn't simply against the spirit of the rules, it utterly destroys it. It's right there on the limit concerning where you can go with interpeting the regulations. In my eyes this is even more extreme then the double deck diffusers back in 2009, much more extreme actually.

It just shows the FIA has no spine.

I actually don't understand why people are saying this is against the spirit of the rules... It's a low nose, that's what the FIA were trying to achieve, so that's absolutely within the spirit. Other than that, it's clearly the most beautiful interpretation, and also I expect the interpretation the FIA expected people to take.

What do you think is not spirit-worthy about it?

The spirit of the rules is what the FIA intends to do with the rules. Clearly this isn't conforming to that: the nose is higher then intended, with a lot of potentional to go much higher (as in lotus high). This isn't what the FIA wanted. At all.

Just to be clear: I have nothing against breaking the spirit rules down. It's another thing that makes F1 exciting: the technology to bend around the rules. I really love it. The part where I am having a problem refers to the FIA having no spine: they have all these intentions but just fail to enforce them. A governing body that has no authority with nobody else to blame then itself, there is nothing more sickening then that.

[muhammad-13]

If the horizontal base of the nose is above the maximum intended due to the front base of one 'mounting' technically being the nose tip, whats to stop a team raising the horizontal nose base even higher again?

The teams with the protruberances would essentially be able to delete them as long as they could get the new impact structures to pass the crash test.

Yes, but that's the catch: they need to pass the crash tests, and that isn't easy. Very difficult infact.

Isn't there height measurements specified by the FIA on different sections of front bulkhead and the nose? e.g. X mm behind the tip of nose, height should be X mm?

[turbof1]

If the horizontal base of the nose is above the maximum intended due to the front base of one 'mounting' technically being the nose tip, whats to stop a team raising the horizontal nose base even higher again?

The teams with the protruberances would essentially be able to delete them as long as they could get the new impact structures to pass the crash test.

Yes, but that's the catch: they need to pass the crash tests, and that isn't easy. Very difficult infact.

Isn't there height measurements specified by the FIA on different sections of front bulkhead and the nose? e.g. X mm behind the tip of nose, height should be X mm?

Only the 50mm behind the nose tip and the front bulkhead. The first restrainment has been bent around, so they'll work themselves up as close to the 525mm max height as they possibly can get.

[copperkipper1]

Merc, Ferrari and Redbull have done a great job at packaging their rear ends. Merc looks promising shame about the front wing failure. I think alot of laptime performance will come from how the drivers manage the ERS power available to them throughout the lap. So many different ways it can be deployed/used.

[markn93]

Merc, Ferrari and Redbull have done a great job at packaging their rear ends. Merc looks promising shame about the front wing failure. I think alot of laptime performance will come from how the drivers manage the ERS power available to them throughout the lap. So many different ways it can be deployed/used.

Its all controlled by software, drivers don't choose when to deploy it, teams will run simulations to determine when is best.

[NathanOlder]

Merc, Ferrari and Redbull have done a great job at packaging their rear ends. Merc looks promising shame about the front wing failure. I think alot of laptime performance will come from how the drivers manage the ERS power available to them throughout the lap. So many different ways it can be deployed/used.

I didnt think the drivers could deploy it. afaik its not a button to press. Its deployed by the cars ECU

[henra]

Good thing he was unharmed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMHRj3OKdMw

Based on this video I changed my drawing a bit:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x60 ... 7/lmd8.jpg

Generally I agree that this is the concept behind.
Looking at the broken FW I would however tend to think that the right side pylon is the one forming part of the crash structure while the left one is the one with vanity panel around the FW pylon.

That is in my eyes so far the most clever/innovative interpretation of the rules. Much more slim and refined than the Lotus and so much less obstructive than the technically rather conservative Ferrari solution.

Will be interesting to see how it fares on Track.
WRT what is the best solution I'm still somewhat torn between this and a well deigned/executed Finger nose.

[Multi21]

http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Lew ... 751083.jpg
AMuS

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfDw8gmCUAEnA2c.jpg:large

I'm a bit concerned about the strength of these really slim pylons holding up the front wing.

You jinxed the car

Haha yea seems like it, I should be hired on as a critic to Bob bell and his team.

[beelsebob]

I actually don't understand why people are saying this is against the spirit of the rules... It's a low nose, that's what the FIA were trying to achieve, so that's absolutely within the spirit. Other than that, it's clearly the most beautiful interpretation, and also I expect the interpretation the FIA expected people to take.

What do you think is not spirit-worthy about it?

The spirit of the rules is what the FIA intends to do with the rules. Clearly this isn't conforming to that: the nose is higher then intended, with a lot of potentional to go much higher (as in lotus high). This isn't what the FIA wanted. At all.

Just to be clear: I have nothing against breaking the spirit rules down. It's another thing that makes F1 exciting: the technology to bend around the rules. I really love it. The part where I am having a problem refers to the FIA having no spine: they have all these intentions but just fail to enforce them. A governing body that has no authority with nobody else to blame then itself, there is nothing more sickening then that.

I'm not convinced that it's higher than the FIA require. What makes you think it is? What loophole do you think they're exploiting to do so?

The Red Bull's tip actually looks higher than the Merc's, I'm really not convinced there's any rule bending going on here.