Mercedes AMG F1 W05

[turbof1]

I actually don't understand why people are saying this is against the spirit of the rules... It's a low nose, that's what the FIA were trying to achieve, so that's absolutely within the spirit. Other than that, it's clearly the most beautiful interpretation, and also I expect the interpretation the FIA expected people to take.

What do you think is not spirit-worthy about it?

The spirit of the rules is what the FIA intends to do with the rules. Clearly this isn't conforming to that: the nose is higher then intended, with a lot of potentional to go much higher (as in lotus high). This isn't what the FIA wanted. At all.

Just to be clear: I have nothing against breaking the spirit rules down. It's another thing that makes F1 exciting: the technology to bend around the rules. I really love it. The part where I am having a problem refers to the FIA having no spine: they have all these intentions but just fail to enforce them. A governing body that has no authority with nobody else to blame then itself, there is nothing more sickening then that.

I'm not convinced that it's higher than the FIA require. What makes you think it is? What loophole do you think they're exploiting to do so?

The Red Bull's tip actually looks higher than the Merc's, I'm really not convinced there's any rule bending going on here.

And Toro Rosso's nose is even higher. What is your point there? The finger nose is a complete different solution. The Sabretooth solution on the other hand removes the obstruction in the middle.

Both scarbs and Matt Somers agree the nose is higher then the FIA require, but the structural nosetip is integrated into one of pylons.
Maybe this drawing helps:

The ferrari nose actually represents the highest point the nosetip can go without bending rules.

[dren]

I would argue Merc is following not bending the rules. The same goes for Lotus and everyone else. I'm glad that they came to this solution; it looks by far the best.

[turbof1]

I would argue Merc is following not bending the rules. The same goes for Lotus and everyone else. I'm glad that they came to this solution; it looks by far the best.

That's more depending on the perspective you are looking from . Which is true in its own right of course; the truth is always multi-dimensional. And from your perspective you are right: FIA allows it, so they should use it. Again, I love these kind of things. A month ago I worked out this concept on my own, without the faintest hint of teams actually using it.

[JDC123]

I'm a McLaren fan but i have to say the Mercedes looks the best both in terms of livery and detail at the moment.

[i70q7m7ghw]

The spirit of the rules was safety. If this design is within the regulations and passes the crash test I don't see the problem. The FIA didn't intend to write rules that would create ugly cars. They were just trying to lower the chassis and nose height, to make the cars safer when involved in side impacts with other cars.

Basically the spirit of the rule changes were to improve safety, not to reduce performance.

[Helios]

Sorry if it's offtopic, but here's the best view on Hamilton's crash (and you can clearly see the front wing fail)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2XMkhag8O0[/youtube]

[Ben27]

I would argue Merc is following not bending the rules. The same goes for Lotus and everyone else. I'm glad that they came to this solution; it looks by far the best.

That's more depending on the perspective you are looking from . Which is true in its own right of course; the truth is always multi-dimensional. And from your perspective you are right: FIA allows it, so they should use it. Again, I love these kind of things. A month ago I worked out this concept on my own, without the faintest hint of teams actually using it.

I agree that the solution has integrated Mercedes is out of the rules because otherwise if we take that benchmark we could lift any nose such as last year. From the spirit point of view.

[NathanOlder]

Nice one, Looks like the wing broke just as he hit the brakes.

[kooleracer]

http://jameyprice.photoshelter.com/gall ... 1MDaQfiYkU

Great shot from above of the W05. The team has done a great job to the rear and the sidepods.




Source: James Price

[Pup]

I would argue Merc is following not bending the rules. The same goes for Lotus and everyone else. I'm glad that they came to this solution; it looks by far the best.

That's more depending on the perspective you are looking from . Which is true in its own right of course; the truth is always multi-dimensional. And from your perspective you are right: FIA allows it, so they should use it. Again, I love these kind of things. A month ago I worked out this concept on my own, without the faintest hint of teams actually using it.

So if Merc are within the regs here, why did Lotus have to do the asymmetrical thing? Would Merc not also have to lop 50mm off one side?

[gray41]

Petronas on the side pod should have been black.

[Timstr]

Oddly, I have not seen any comments from the usual tech pundits on the lower front wishbone arrangement.
I don't think I've ever seen the legs spaced so closely together.

[dans79]

just to prove I'm not seeing things, I have made the seam red in the two photos. You can see that in the one the nose has the teal stripes and it doesn't in the other.

http://s29.postimg.org/6cypt581z/offical.jpg

http://s23.postimg.org/fo737nykr/today.jpg

Sure, so the nose wasn't painted properly. I'm sure they have several of them, what is your point?

The point is, that they had a wing/nose/pillar whatever you want to call it failure today, and the car that ran today is aesthetically different from official photos. Thus 3 things spring to mind.

1. the official photos didn't use a real nose. so is merc just barely getting done and rushing and hence no paint.
2. the wing that was run today was a new concept, and it broke.
3. someone forgot to paint the wing, or put the right one on this morning. (no likely considering how anal the teams are about stuff like this)

[beelsebob]

just to prove I'm not seeing things, I have made the seam red in the two photos. You can see that in the one the nose has the teal stripes and it doesn't in the other.

http://s29.postimg.org/6cypt581z/offical.jpg

http://s23.postimg.org/fo737nykr/today.jpg

Sure, so the nose wasn't painted properly. I'm sure they have several of them, what is your point?

The point is, that they had a wing/nose/pillar whatever you want to call it failure today, and the car that ran today is aesthetically different from official photos. Thus 3 things spring to mind.

1. the official photos didn't use a real nose. so is merc just barely getting done and rushing and hence no paint.
2. the wing that was run today was a new concept, and it broke.
3. someone forgot to paint the wing, or put the right one on this morning. (no likely considering how anal the teams are about stuff like this)

Certainly Merc is just barely done. That's the only way the teams can do this. They have to design right up to the last second, because if they waste a second of design, another team will get a big advantage. Their composites departments are also busy producing monocoques right up until a week or two before the tests. That leaves only a week or two to produce all the other composite parts, and that necessarily means that there are not that many such parts hanging about at the start of testing. It's entirely normal for teams to turn up on day 1 of testing with only one car's worth of parts, and the spares slowly trickling in as they work.

[motobaleno]

I don't want to speculate if merc nose is against the spirit of the rule or not. it's not me that have to decide.
just want to clarify that in mercedes what FIA calls "nose" is the left side of what we used to call "nose" last year.
indeed what fia calls "nose" in mercedes, we were more used to call "pylon" last year...
the consequence of this I think is that extending this concept you can obtain noses (what we used to call nose: the central part...) as high as last year...