Toro Rosso STR9 Renault

[Forza]

STR9 - Launch - Rear

[Forza]

STR9 - Launch

[Forza]

STR9 launch

[Crabbia]

All things convineintly not considered in your post.

From that last sentence I take it you were not interested in answers anyway.

That last sentence was to ensure i received a balanced answer from you, not as writing off your response.

Listen, respectfully, i find it hard that you can take all these complex permutations and whittle them down to come out with a simplification like: its a good trade off.

i dont know you or your background so i may be wrong but there are very few engineers in formula 1 that can confidently make that call.

Secondly, you say the cooling apparatus will only drop the CoG by two to three %. how do you quantify something like that in your head? keeping in mind you havent even given your assertion as to whether it is an oil cooler, an air to air intercooler, an air to water intercooler, or electronics heatsink. If it is a oil cooler, it will have a greater effect on CoG, air to air less so and so on?

For that reason your post has little credibility in my eyes.

And i view this design as exactly what you say it is, a trade off, but a trade off of unhappy compromises. There should be no need for an air dam to be right below the airbox unless they were forced to do so by the engine, or were not sharp enough to find a better position.

[stefan_]

Scuderia Toro Rosso STR9 - Renault Launch (Jerez de la Frontera, Spain - 27.01.2013)

[Crabbia]

on Stefan's last picture, is that a carbon fibre shroud on the exhaust. if its not carbon its definitely a weave. Never seen something like that before.

Thanks Stefan for the great pics. Really appreciate it man.

[tim|away]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpwYb0ZbLM0[/youtube]

[dren]

The lower rear suspension members are interesting. The upper rear suspension mounts similar to the Mclaren. This car has rather large cooling exits. Maybe this is for reliability early on and the team plans to tidy things up at the rear.

[Richard]

Time for the annual reminder that the car threads are for examining the actual features of the car. If the comment doesn’t relate to an observation of an actual detail on the car then it doesn’t belong in this thread.

For the avoidance of doubt, here are some examples:

• Whitmarsh, Vettel, and Boullier are not features on any car.
• References to laptimes belong in the relevant test or race thread.
• Seriously, there is nothing new to say about genitals, gaping fish, or monkeys with big noses. It’s all been said already. We don’t need endless reminders.
• Soft focus effects belong in wedding albums, not technical posts.
• “I love this team” or “the TP must be sacked” are fanboy posts
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Finally, if you do see posts that are out of order then please report them so they can be dealt with appropriately.
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[acosmichippo]

damn, and I was just gonna post a pic of my favorite muppet...

[Forza]

https://twitter.com/ToroRossoSpy/status ... 4979300352 Jerez T01 - Day 1

[SaturnVF1]

Is there a new LCD display teams can run with the new ECU instead of the normal little panel? I remember back when Ferrari and Toyota had displays that big on their wheels. I hope this isn't just a really old wheel on the car for the launch.

[Blackout]

I dont know. That's the PCU-8D. Many teams seem to be running with the old standardised 6D

http://www.mclarenelectronics.com/Produ ... uct/PCU-8D

http://www.mclarenelectronics.com/Produ ... uct/PCU-6D

[SaturnVF1]

I dont know. That's the PCU-8D. Many teams seem to be running with the old standardised 6D

Indeed it it, thanks! I hope more teams adopt it. I always thought it was a shame that displays got older-looking when the standard ECU came in.

[henra]

Listen, respectfully, i find it hard that you can take all these complex permutations and whittle them down to come out with a simplification like: its a good trade off.

You omitted the magic word: In my eyes. So it is my personal perception. Nothing more.

i dont know you or your background so i may be wrong but there are very few engineers in formula 1 that can confidently make that call.

Engineering background but not F1. Since you insist on knowing mine, may I ask what your background is?

Secondly, you say the cooling apparatus will only drop the CoG by two to three %. how do you quantify something like that in your head?

Crude guestimate.
Such a cooler should be not much more than 5kg given the Dimension, what medium is inside will make some difference but not change the Order of Magnitude.
Given the weight of the car is ~700kg and the distance to the CG should be somewhere around 30cm you can do the Maths.

For that reason your post has little credibility in my eyes.

Fair enough. You don't have to believe it. I don't claim to be mor clever than the F1 Designers. I'm just some guy in the Internet applauding an ouside the box thinking approach.

And i view this design as exactly what you say it is, a trade off, but a trade off of unhappy compromises. There should be no need for an air dam to be right below the airbox unless they were forced to do so by the engine, or were not sharp enough to find a better position.

I guess it's no need to have it in that Location, but rather a choice. And everything in life is a compromise.
Everyone basically has an airdam of comparable size. Just in a different position (read bigger intakes in the sidepods and slightly bigger sidepods. An airdam below the airbox is not necessarily that bad if you leave enough room for the boundary layer below the airbox intake.