McLaren MP4-29 Mercedes

[Lazy]

A bit but proportionally a lot less difference.

[rscsr]

But that was kind of my point. *Can* you assume constant fuel consumption while accelerating and shifting through gears?

Check this post: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 42#p478542
The third picture on the right shows you that the fuel consumption is about constant in a certain rev range.

[Lazy]

Reading that the rear tyres will be difficult to get to temperature may be another reason for McLaren to accept the possible drag implications of the dragonfly, the extra df would certainly help in this regard.

[McMrocks]

Reading that the rear tyres will be difficult to get to temperature may be another reason for McLaren to accept the possible drag implications of the dragonfly, the extra df would certainly help in this regard.

i BELIEVE that with that much torque it is no problem to get heat in the rear tyres.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

GA on the MP4-29 rear suspension..


via AutoSport

[Gridlock]

Assuming he's had a better look than most here, that profile (in the RH tyre) confirms the shape I guess?

[mclaren_mircea]

AMUS had an article which had a sliglty different opinion than Gary Anderson. It's the same opinion about the behaviour of the car entering and leaving the corners, but they are critical about mp4-29's behaviour on the straights, not only regarding the top speed (a thing that was partially confirmed at Jerez) but about fuel efficiency during the distance of a full race. I think Matt Morris and Tim Goss will prove them wrong, but AMUS opinion point is much more realistic and logical than Anderson's approach about the behaviour of the car.

[siskue2005]

i wouldnt take Gary seriously, the explanation by our own f1technical is much much better i think
http://www.f1technical.net/development/435

[Lazy]

Reading that the rear tyres will be difficult to get to temperature may be another reason for McLaren to accept the possible drag implications of the dragonfly, the extra df would certainly help in this regard.

i BELIEVE that with that much torque it is no problem to get heat in the rear tyres.

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/91558 ... table-Cars

"I have to say the downforce is much less than before, and I also think the rear tyres used to work well with the blowing of the exhaust," he said.

"Before it was quite easy to get the rear temperatures up as you naturally got a lot of heat, but now there is nothing.

[SectorOne]

i wouldnt take Gary seriously, the explanation by our own f1technical is much much better i think
http://www.f1technical.net/development/435
http://f1tcdn.net/images/development/20 ... sketch.jpg

That graphic doesn´t really look anything like what´s on the car though.

[siskue2005]

i think it is some way similar

[aleks_ader]

Does anybody do sim in CFD of that element? I could do model or at least tehnical drawings for someone who is had will and enough PC power. I will love to do it. Send PM in response..

I m really wondering how that angle and delta shape (top view) of that blockers induce drag penalty and low pressure behind it?

And in addition maybe i want to know someone AERO opinion how it interacts with diffuzor aouwash or atleast exhaoust blowing under monkey seat stream combined with position of cooling outlets? Racecar engineering speculate that design could also help in cooling pull throw sidepods. Is exhaoust placment and interaction crucial to make system even more efficient and ergo how that blowing could hurt fuel vs. time efficiency (compromise throw season, removing system or redesign for tracks aka Monaco, Montreal,Singapur etc.)?

Many questions little answers let do something together and broke that "secret"...

[trinidefender]

People are saying that the mp4-29 has some of the largest sidepods seen on the grid. However looking at this picture it actually seems as though they may be quite large in terms of total volume they are actually quite short and have a large undercut so I don't think their sidepods are as big as many people make them out to be.

*edit* when I say short I mean height wise from the floor not length wise along the chassis.

[SectorOne]

Not sure how you can say they are quite short in that image. They look to be the longest by quite a margin in that image.
The Williams is a bit of a fatty boy as well. And the Mercedes is off line quite a bit which disguises the pretty tight sidepods.

[Thunder]

McLaren never had the tightest Sidepods but they made it work so i don't mind.