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I guess the real question is did Lotus actually lean on the engine. Usually teams don't that much, as they are following a camera car around the track for several laps.
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dans79 wrote:I guess the real question is did Lotus actually lean on the engine. Usually teams don't that much, as they are following a camera car around the track for several laps.
aren't they also required to run on some kind "show tire" for photo events?

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dans79 wrote:I guess the real question is did Lotus actually lean on the engine. Usually teams don't that much, as they are following a camera car around the track for several laps.
even if they didn't, they still managed more then redbull, whom didn't do anything at all but 21 laps.

it seems lotus had zero problems. only thing that was mentioned is they ran 15 seconds off the actual time?
that would make 1:38 more or less, which isn't far off from the first testing day early lap times iirc, and similar
to RB and caterham times.

would make renault have 251 laps under the belt in jerez now, and have most laps for renault-powered teams.
caterham is next with 76 laps.
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langwadt wrote:
dans79 wrote:I guess the real question is did Lotus actually lean on the engine. Usually teams don't that much, as they are following a camera car around the track for several laps.
aren't they also required to run on some kind "show tire" for photo events?
not sure which tires lotus ran at jerez, during jerez testing i recall most cars had no lettering on the walls,
lotus did run with letters so not entirely sure.
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They would have to have run a special Pirelli demonstration tyre as dictated by the regs.

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Manoah2u wrote:only thing that was mentioned is they ran 15 seconds off the actual time?
Who mentionned that ?

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Blackout wrote:
Manoah2u wrote:only thing that was mentioned is they ran 15 seconds off the actual time?
Who mentionned that ?
thought i read that in the lotus thread but i can be wayy off :oops:

edit: my bad, i just noticed it was just some unsourced statement of a poster, don't know if it's rubbish or real.
could be close, the renault-powered ones ran 15s off pace.

anyway, i'd be interested to see some timing. surely won't see that but the fastest renault car was 1:29 toro rosso of Vergne.
if they manage to pull a 1:26 or 1:27 they're doing well
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Manoah2u wrote: edit: my bad, i just noticed it was just some unsourced statement of a poster, don't know if it's rubbish or real.
could be close, the renault-powered ones ran 15s off pace.
I said it, but that was referring to general pace of renault powered cars during 1st jerez test, not lotus filming day.

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Gerard Lopez said this after the test (google translate):
"We were very well prepared and we have reached the limit of authorized kilometers the second day without any problem or overheating, or software , or hydraulic or anything The car ran like a clock, that is. pretty amazing when you look at what happened the first time at Jerez . We are ready to get to Bahrain ( February 19 , note) and start shooting at the first hour of testing."

"We know of a problem with either the frame or with the propellant Renault . We work hand in hand with Renault. We know that there is still a lot of work in mapping , but we must admit that the Renault power unit worked well with us. he did exactly what we wanted to do. In our case, but rather to refine the thing now ."

Lopez reveals that his team had planned to carry out a single installation lap.
"We knew what we were doing, he said. We arrived Friday with a mission to make an installation lap. We do not know when we would do it, but it was the only goal on Friday because it had to climb the car and we knew we would not have done more that day."

"Maybe we would have added two towers, but it's not that that would have made the difference, simply because the installer turn makes it possible without taking too many risks, to determine whether the car was well fitted. this allowed us to attack Saturday productively."
http://www.f1i.com/infos/lopez-voiture-tourne-horloge/

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Blackout wrote:Gerard Lopez said this after the test (google translate):
"We were very well prepared and we have reached the limit of authorized kilometers the second day without any problem or overheating, or software , or hydraulic or anything The car ran like a clock, that is. pretty amazing when you look at what happened the first time at Jerez . We are ready to get to Bahrain ( February 19 , note) and start shooting at the first hour of testing."

"We know of a problem with either the frame or with the propellant Renault . We work hand in hand with Renault. We know that there is still a lot of work in mapping , but we must admit that the Renault power unit worked well with us. he did exactly what we wanted to do. In our case, but rather to refine the thing now ."

Lopez reveals that his team had planned to carry out a single installation lap.
"We knew what we were doing, he said. We arrived Friday with a mission to make an installation lap. We do not know when we would do it, but it was the only goal on Friday because it had to climb the car and we knew we would not have done more that day."

"Maybe we would have added two towers, but it's not that that would have made the difference, simply because the installer turn makes it possible without taking too many risks, to determine whether the car was well fitted. this allowed us to attack Saturday productively."
http://www.f1i.com/infos/lopez-voiture-tourne-horloge/
great! =D> =D>

So despite the general criticism actively pitted against lotus, they emerge as the best of the renault teams and without problems. In the end thus, renault didn't miss a single thing on the jerez test instead come out on top of the renault powered teams :)

it's still early but i keep getting amazed on how enstone is able to bring something despite all the odds. let's hope they'll pick up where they left last year, i really hope they'll get some podiums this year.

Anyway, did other teams but RedBull experience engine difficulties last year?
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Manoah2u wrote: great! =D> =D>

So despite the general criticism actively pitted against lotus, they emerge as the best of the renault teams and without problems. In the end thus, renault didn't miss a single thing on the jerez test instead come out on top of the renault powered teams :)

it's still early but i keep getting amazed on how enstone is able to bring something despite all the odds. let's hope they'll pick up where they left last year, i really hope they'll get some podiums this year.

Anyway, did other teams but RedBull experience engine difficulties last year?
If not for the Jerez test, Renault probably would not be aware of the trouble.

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Manoah2u wrote:
Blackout wrote:Gerard Lopez said this after the test (google translate):
"We were very well prepared and we have reached the limit of authorized kilometers the second day without any problem or overheating, or software , or hydraulic or anything The car ran like a clock, that is. pretty amazing when you look at what happened the first time at Jerez . We are ready to get to Bahrain ( February 19 , note) and start shooting at the first hour of testing."

"We know of a problem with either the frame or with the propellant Renault . We work hand in hand with Renault. We know that there is still a lot of work in mapping , but we must admit that the Renault power unit worked well with us. he did exactly what we wanted to do. In our case, but rather to refine the thing now ."

Lopez reveals that his team had planned to carry out a single installation lap.
"We knew what we were doing, he said. We arrived Friday with a mission to make an installation lap. We do not know when we would do it, but it was the only goal on Friday because it had to climb the car and we knew we would not have done more that day."

"Maybe we would have added two towers, but it's not that that would have made the difference, simply because the installer turn makes it possible without taking too many risks, to determine whether the car was well fitted. this allowed us to attack Saturday productively."
http://www.f1i.com/infos/lopez-voiture-tourne-horloge/
great! =D> =D>

So despite the general criticism actively pitted against lotus, they emerge as the best of the renault teams and without problems. In the end thus, renault didn't miss a single thing on the jerez test instead come out on top of the renault powered teams :)

it's still early but i keep getting amazed on how enstone is able to bring something despite all the odds. let's hope they'll pick up where they left last year, i really hope they'll get some podiums this year.

Anyway, did other teams but RedBull experience engine difficulties last year?
I'd take all this positivity with a pinch of salt. Lotus is still a team on the precipice and will be doing their utmost to spin their tests etc in a positive fashion. I'd wait until Bahrain to see where Renault are. I'm hoping they've made some improvement because it's not good for F1 to have them where they were in the last test.

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When I see the engine cover they had to use to get the car to run, I don't think that they're out of the woods just yet. They seem to know that they can remove the heat out of the top of the engine cover, but still need a practible solution to be able to run at speed. And when I think about the RB10....they will have a lot of work to get this pressure cooker under control. But that will make the season more intersting, won't it?
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100km is how many laps around Jerez? Surely can't be many more than any of the other Renault powered teams managed..??
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adrianjordan wrote:100km is how many laps around Jerez? Surely can't be many more than any of the other Renault powered teams managed..??
4.428 km

around 22 laps thus.

seems i thought they'd be running 100 laps instead of km's, hmmm. :-k
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