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from the sporting regulation:Manoah2u wrote:not sure which tires lotus ran at jerez, during jerez testing i recall most cars had no lettering on the walls,langwadt wrote:aren't they also required to run on some kind "show tire" for photo events?dans79 wrote:I guess the real question is did Lotus actually lean on the engine. Usually teams don't that much, as they are following a camera car around the track for several laps.
lotus did run with letters so not entirely sure.
scarbs wrote: I hear from inside the team cooling was all OK at the test and no mods were requested post-test. But then I hear the bodywork itself is getting very hot around the engine, making it hard for mechanics to remove the panels in the garage.
Im a bit confused is Renault Problems aren't cleared at all to the level they wanted or is some thing with Lotus Car design?Blackout wrote:scarbs wrote: I hear from inside the team cooling was all OK at the test and no mods were requested post-test. But then I hear the bodywork itself is getting very hot around the engine, making it hard for mechanics to remove the panels in the garage.
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-b ... r-minardi/"According to circulating information, the situation seems more difficult than that and not easy to solve," the 66-year-old wrote in a posting in Italian on his website.
"It seems that Red Bull are exploring a possible change of engine for 2015," added Minardi.
He said he has also heard that Renault, struggling to solve the obvious problems with its turbo V6 'power unit', has gone beyond the walls of its Viry factory and is now "shopping" around for technical fixes.
"That has practically never happened before as, quite rightly, Renault has always sought to preserve its technology," said Minardi.
"This news can only feed suspicions of structural problems in the engine that are not easy to solve in the short term.
"Obviously, I hope to be proved wrong as soon as the testing in Bahrain, but undoubtedly we are living through a chaotic time in Formula One," he added.
http://www.racer.com/index.php/f1/item/ ... ues-solved"We hoped not to have any problems, but we had a few further ones," said Taffin. "But in fairness, it was not a surprise. We knew what we had in the car and we thought we would get away with it based on what we did in the first filming day [with Lotus], but obviously not.
I've wondered much the same thing myself. Always a conspiracy brewing somewhere it seems.dans79 wrote:it's hard not to wonder if this isn't all planed out behind closed doors.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112519
Honestly, I hope if this happens the other teams raise holly hell. I mean can a team or manufacture sue the FIA, because they feel they are colluding with a competitor?
"Renault hopeful Jerez issues solved ahead of second F1 test of 2014"
mkable1370 wrote: I've wondered much the same thing myself. Always a conspiracy brewing somewhere it seems.
With regard to that Autosport article, I found it interesting toward the end where Taffin makes the assertion that is only a few specific problems they need to get resolved and then they will be 90% there... It's those last 10% that probably comprise the major design flaws that have been rumored. Back to conspiracy theories, who really thinks Renault would have intentionally included an inherent design flaw in their engine for the later benefit of be able to exploit the regulations and claim engine design improvements under the guise of improving "reliability"?
But that has a very high risk: FIA might tell you "no" or the other teams make more points and those missing points kill the chances of a championship-mkable1370 wrote: I've wondered much the same thing myself. Always a conspiracy brewing somewhere it seems.
With regard to that Autosport article, I found it interesting toward the end where Taffin makes the assertion that is only a few specific problems they need to get resolved and then they will be 90% there... It's those last 10% that probably comprise the major design flaws that have been rumored. Back to conspiracy theories, who really thinks Renault would have intentionally included an inherent design flaw in their engine for the later benefit of be able to exploit the regulations and claim engine design improvements under the guise of improving "reliability"?
Read the autosport article carfully. The title of that article is misleading and Taffin's words must be contextualized. I bet he just answered this question ''will Renault ask for a rieliability break'' and he said why not, if we have reliability problems. and he means every manufacturer will ask for a little break, like they did for a V8. He says Renault solved the Jerez problem, but no one knows if they will discover other problems later...Pup wrote:The teams probably wouldn't raise hell, but surely the forums would. I think I'd rather Renault get their engines sorted prior to the cutoff than endure the inevitable FIA/Todt/French Engine Manufacturer accusations and arguments here and elsewhere.
Plus, they're putting themselves in a bit of a Catch 22. I mean, they've been going on the past week about how much progress they've made, trying to save face, but then they're going to ask for special dispensation? One or the other, guys. That's why I suggested in anther thread that I would doubt if any of the other teams would complain about Lotus' test-that-wasn't-a-test. They'd probably rather Renault make a bit of progress now, so they can make an argument against dispensation later.
Funny that Adrian confirmed today what I thought back in January. lolWhiteBlue wrote:It makes no sense to me to believe that there is an issue that will need 20 weeks to sort out. The Engine itself is a fairly well known quantity and I simply do not believe that any mechanical components are giving those problems. As you would expect Red Bull went a step too far in disregarding the advise from the power train engineers in terms of cooling and packaguing requirements. At least that is what I make out of this.radosav wrote:From ''TheScuderia'' forum , by member Dino:
This is the worst news about Renault today,
''French engine manufacturer had informed their customer teams that the maximum running their current power train could offer was 250km''.
AND
''Simply put, there are components in the Renault engine which will fail should it be pushed beyond around 75%. On top of this, the RB10 has cooling issues for the energy recovery systems, the engine and various other associated components''
and more herehttp://thejudge13.com/2014/01/30/f1-tes ... rez-day-3/
Newey always pushes things to the limit and this time he has pushed Renault too far. The other customers are likely to get what Renault and Red Bull have concocted together and subsequently they share the present misery. I have been predicting this possibility for some months. IMHO it will cost Red Bull the first test and parts of the next to redesign the package and start the catch up game with Merc and Ferrari. By the time of the third race they could be on a level playing field and they will know exactly what is possible and what is not. The other teams will have less information of how you push the thermal envelope. These problems are not unsurmountable. It is necessary for Adrian IMHO to listen to his engine supplier a bit harder and allow for greater margins for once. But I expect that to happen from now on.
I'm anxious to see the expression on the face of Renault clients later this week in Bahrain. This by itself usually speaks more than words... or any official press releases for that matter.WhiteBlue wrote:Funny that Adrian confirmed today what I thought back in January. lolWhiteBlue wrote:It makes no sense to me to believe that there is an issue that will need 20 weeks to sort out. The Engine itself is a fairly well known quantity and I simply do not believe that any mechanical components are giving those problems. As you would expect Red Bull went a step too far in disregarding the advise from the power train engineers in terms of cooling and packaguing requirements. At least that is what I make out of this.radosav wrote:From ''TheScuderia'' forum , by member Dino:
This is the worst news about Renault today,
''French engine manufacturer had informed their customer teams that the maximum running their current power train could offer was 250km''.
AND
''Simply put, there are components in the Renault engine which will fail should it be pushed beyond around 75%. On top of this, the RB10 has cooling issues for the energy recovery systems, the engine and various other associated components''
and more herehttp://thejudge13.com/2014/01/30/f1-tes ... rez-day-3/
Newey always pushes things to the limit and this time he has pushed Renault too far. The other customers are likely to get what Renault and Red Bull have concocted together and subsequently they share the present misery. I have been predicting this possibility for some months. IMHO it will cost Red Bull the first test and parts of the next to redesign the package and start the catch up game with Merc and Ferrari. By the time of the third race they could be on a level playing field and they will know exactly what is possible and what is not. The other teams will have less information of how you push the thermal envelope. These problems are not unsurmountable. It is necessary for Adrian IMHO to listen to his engine supplier a bit harder and allow for greater margins for once. But I expect that to happen from now on.
