Being called "Schumacher"

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That's NOT MONTOYA'S CAR, it's Ralph's car (remember the incident with Alonso?). If that was Montoya's car he couldn't be able to secure the third place... In the same site there's a picture of the damaged car, in which is visible the number 4(Ralph is the number 4, not Montoya...)

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Here's the image... OF RALPH'S (and not Montoya like tsk said) CAR.

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They touched. Montoya was in front while entering the corner so michael HAD to leave him room.
And even before Tosa, he changed his line twice, which is of course illegal.

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Well I kind of support Montoya in this case, he's actually going for it, and idd he was on the outside. But as I see it, both were side by side, Monty has previously succesfully completed passes on the outside.

Since they were side by side, I am convinced that both of them must make room, allbeit little, for each other. And banging in your competitor is far beyond what the FIA may allow.

Furthermore, I think his team should support him, just as they do at Ferrari or McLaren, but now... I just hopes he doesn't get demotivated by all the fuss. (luckily, he doesn't look like such a guy)

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FIA has looked at it and apparantly Schumacher driving was perfectly ok.

I was also under the illusion that you had to leave room for drivers alongside you.

What I am curious about is on what rules or grounds the FIA are using when they approve Schumachers driving.

At least they are consistent otherwise Montoya would have gotten a penalty for his Melbourne move on Button.

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or there is something severely wrong with the eyes of Charlie Whiting :shock: I have the impression that he is the one that gets the last vote, and I would like to see those things be judged by maybe 5 permanent FIA observers. It may help in the dubious judgements like these

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From TV it looked to me as if he forced him off onto the grass. But I looked at the onboard start w/ Schumacher and it looked like he was just taking the line as anybody would, and I guess Montoya thought Michael was going to move over to let him in the track. As much as I hate to admit it, Schumacher's move is acceptible.
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There wasn't much room:

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But hee this is racing, the FIA should only penalize actions when the are really dangerous or unaccaptable.. this wasn't. Though Schumacher showed he hasn't learned from his famous actions in the past... He is no gentleman a pure racer would give leave a minimal space and take revenge later.. But heehee we aren't all racers;)

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If the rules support this kind of driving then its not Charlie Whiting who is at fault.

Perhaps they should change the sporting regulations instead of the technical regulations to promote overtaking.

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it is obvious that barring raikonnen whom we can't compare cuz his car sucks at the moment... no one can challenge schumacher at driving. so what's the point in schumacher's driving. he should take a hakkinnen type break from teh sport for a year.. if he has any respect or love for the sport that is. he is killing the sport. without him barrichello and ferrari are very beatable.

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Its not Schumachers driving thats the problem as long as he sticks to the rules laid down by the FIA. The way I see it the big problem with Schumachers move on Montoya is that it is apparently completely ok to push someone off the track. That effectively means that its impossible to overtake on the outside for everybody on the grid. All the car in front has to do when he is about to be overtaken is to take the inside line into the corner and let the car drift outwards towards the racingline and the car on the outside either lifts off or goes off. At least thats my understanding of the situation since a lot of people has not given room to drivers on the outside and gotten away with it(Trulli Hockenheim 03, Montoya Melbourne 04, Schumacher Imola 04).

I dont know the sporting regulation or do I know why people like Schumacher and Montoya has not gotten a penalty but to me it all seems a bit wierd.

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That thing w/ trulli was retarded... MS was already off the track and only made his passes out there. I thought the rules were you couldn't do that... otherwise everybody would be driving in the grass. At least he blew out his tires
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MS went off because Trulli left him no room on the track. Trulli gave MS the options that Schumacher gave Montoya in Imola, lift off or go off. Furtunately MS overtook Trulli.

Even though Schumacher overtook Trulli after he ha rejoined the tarmac one could argue that Schumacher gained an unfair advantage by going off track.

Since Trullis driving apparently was within the FIA regulations shouldnt Schumacher gotten a penalty ?

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Trulli took the normal line at Hockenheim, because everybody who followed behind him was on the same path. Michael just took to the outside because he didn't want to slow down, which he should have. He would have been inside the kerbs if he did. The only punishment he got was a flat tire, but that was based on karma more than anything else. This is more amusing given that the race was in Germany.

MS still gets away with things more than any other driver, esp the incident at Silverstone last year, but I never saw what happened.
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You are very close. Trulli took the inside line into the corner where as Schumacher was on the outside on the racingline. The sitaution is in my eyes very comparable to the one at Imola.

The thing that I dont understand(amongst other things) is why this kind of driving is within FIA regulations ? Im kind of amazed that you have leave room for a car on the inside but not for a car on the outside.

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