The first winter test session at Bahrain allowed teams to get some valuable tyre data from the new 2014 range of Pirelli tyres. A number of teams were able to complete race simulations, as well as qualifying and pit stop practice, assessing every aspect of tyre usage.
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kooleracer wrote:
Why would they go above, of course they won't go above the fuel limit. They is no point of going above the limit because then the data you collected is almost use less. Also you would put more stress on the engine and the engine is not designed for higher loads. Give some credible sources to back up you claim please!
This is testing, and teams want to explore areas outside the envelope to learn what happens there. Just look at all the aero sensors contraptions they were running, which are also illegal in actual competition. They must still figure out gear ratios, fuel consumption and not having a stupid fuel restrictor cutting in is helpful.
Besides, they want to run their engines hard to see their wear under bending loads in the chassis. These engines will have to last 2600 km, which represents 480 laps at Bahrain, which is impossible to accumulate in 4 days testing.
Thats your opinion, you do know that what you say isn't always accurate? Give some facts with credible sources, otherwise everybody can make claims without backing them up. Also all i have heard from many interviews is that teams aren't asking maximum horsepower from the powerunit, that would suggest that are not going above the fuel limit.
Irvine:"If you don't have a good car you can't win it, unless you are Michael or Senna. Lots of guys won in Adrian Newey's cars, big deal. Adrian is the real genius out there, there is Senna, there is Michael and there is Newey.They were the three great talents."
kooleracer wrote:
Thats your opinion, you do know that what you say isn't always accurate? Give some facts with credible sources, otherwise everybody can make claims without backing them up. Also all i have heard from many interviews is that teams aren't asking maximum horsepower from the powerunit, that would suggest that are not going above the fuel limit.
Did you come across any (credible) information regarding the sort of revs they are running?
kooleracer wrote:
Thats your opinion, you do know that what you say isn't always accurate? Give some facts with credible sources, otherwise everybody can make claims without backing them up. Also all i have heard from many interviews is that teams aren't asking maximum horsepower from the powerunit, that would suggest that are not going above the fuel limit.
Did you come across any (credible) information regarding the sort of revs they are running?
I don't if its credible but, in Jerez Ferrari were running between 10500-12000 RPM according to paddock rumors. But the limiting factor is the ICE, its about not using full ERS-K/H power. I would be a surprise to me if the teams are not running full power form the V6, because the V6 is easy to test on the dyno's.
Irvine:"If you don't have a good car you can't win it, unless you are Michael or Senna. Lots of guys won in Adrian Newey's cars, big deal. Adrian is the real genius out there, there is Senna, there is Michael and there is Newey.They were the three great talents."
kooleracer wrote:
Thats your opinion, you do know that what you say isn't always accurate? Give some facts with credible sources, otherwise everybody can make claims without backing them up. Also all i have heard from many interviews is that teams aren't asking maximum horsepower from the powerunit, that would suggest that are not going above the fuel limit.
Did you come across any (credible) information regarding the sort of revs they are running?
I don't if its credible but, in Jerez Ferrari were running between 10500-12000 RPM according to paddock rumors. But the limiting factor is the ICE, its about not using full ERS-K/H power. I would be a surprise to me if the teams are not running full power form the V6, because the V6 is easy to test on the dyno's.
Interesting what you write with 10.5-12k.
I am of the opinion, that 15k does not equal to FULL POWER. Meaning that they will realize full power (from limited fuel flow) at lower than 15k RPM. Your answer sort of confirmed my assumptions at this stage at least. Please keep your eyes open on this and share if you can.
after today's testing, Total laps covered by each team during pre-season:
Mercedes - 535.
McLaren - 475.
Ferrari - 456.
Williams - 411.
Sauber - 396.
Force India - 340.
Caterham - 308.
Toro Rosso - 174.
Red Bull - 122.
Marussia - 54.
Lotus - 52.
Total laps covered by each engine manufacturer during pre-season:
Mercedes - 1761.
Ferrari - 906.
Renault - 656.
Approximate distance covered by each team during pre-season:
Mercedes - 2480 km.
McLaren - 2226 km.
Ferrari - 2124 km.
Williams - 1957 km.
Sauber - 1891 km.
Force India - 1618 km.
Caterham - 1513 km.
Toro Rosso - 846 km.
Red Bull - 607 km.
Lotus - 266 km.
Marussia - 251 km.
Approximate distance covered by each engine manufacturer during pre-season:
Mercedes - 8281 km
Ferrari - 4266 km
Renault - 3232 km.
Marussia seems to be an outlier for the Ferrari teams, in terms of reliability. I haven't been paying attention to them - any reports of what's causing their troubles? I know they were a bit late getting things together for Jerez, but at only 54 laps at this point, that can't be the full explanation.
kooleracer wrote:
I don't if its credible but, in Jerez Ferrari were running between 10500-12000 RPM according to paddock rumors. But the limiting factor is the ICE, its about not using full ERS-K/H power. I would be a surprise to me if the teams are not running full power form the V6, because the V6 is easy to test on the dyno's.
Interesting what you write with 10.5-12k.
I am of the opinion, that 15k does not equal to FULL POWER. Meaning that they will realize full power (from limited fuel flow) at lower than 15k RPM. Your answer sort of confirmed my assumptions at this stage at least. Please keep your eyes open on this and share if you can.
10500-12000rpm or thereabouts IS max power, that much has been established. What he's saying is that ferrari might not be using full ERS power. Correct?
321apex wrote:
Interesting what you write with 10.5-12k.
I am of the opinion, that 15k does not equal to FULL POWER. Meaning that they will realize full power (from limited fuel flow) at lower than 15k RPM. Your answer sort of confirmed my assumptions at this stage at least. Please keep your eyes open on this and share if you can.
I think most people agreed that full power will come at less than 15k rpm (and the Cosworth curves also indicated so), but do you still think the power units will produce more or less 680hp when it really counts?
321apex wrote:
Interesting what you write with 10.5-12k.
I am of the opinion, that 15k does not equal to FULL POWER. Meaning that they will realize full power (from limited fuel flow) at lower than 15k RPM. Your answer sort of confirmed my assumptions at this stage at least. Please keep your eyes open on this and share if you can.
I think most people agreed that full power will come at less than 15k rpm (and the Cosworth curves also indicated so), but do you still think the power units will produce more or less 680hp when it really counts?
No.
Rather maximum ~550bhp under 100kg/h fuel flow rate regime.
The impressive top speeds do come from less aero drag (reduced DF), torquey power delivery from ICE and powerful MGU, which could easily have TC like power delivery and... possibly (have no proof) that in Bahrain testing teams may not run 100kg/h fuel rate limit.
Wir sind schon an das Limit gegangen, das wir vertreten konnten.
The bold part is the interesting one. He says they were running to the limit of what they could justify to themselves, if you get what I'm trying to say.
Wir sind schon an das Limit gegangen, das wir vertreten konnten.
The bold part is the interesting one. He says they were running to the limit of what they could justify to themselves, if you get what I'm trying to say.
Not native no. That's what google translate gives me
Helios wrote:
The bold part is the interesting one. He says they were running to the limit of what they could justify to themselves, if you get what I'm trying to say.
Thanks for that. I am not a German speaker.
I would conclude, that he was referring to the max powertrain capability, which would not include fuel limit. That's my subjective feel.
