Team: Nick Chester (TD), Matthew Carter (CEO), Gerard Lopez (TP)
Drivers: Romain Grosjean (8), Pastor Maldonado (13), Charles Pic (Reserve), Marco Sorensen (Reserve), Nicolas Prost (Reserve)
Sorry, I just meant turbulent air that's been through radiators and such... that can be the only thing coming out of there, right? And if that's so, then I don't understand the purpose since it would make the rear wing less efficient compared to a clean stream of air. Or is this the 2014 version of their rear wing drag reduction device? Would releasing turbulent air out of that opening at high speeds cut downforce AND drag?aleks_ader wrote:If you think with "waste-air" wastegate gas? That is forbidden in rules. All gases from entry into turbine must exit in single pipe...briant1 wrote:What is the going theory on that little additional air-exit on the engine cover above the main exit and exhaust?
Whatever comes out of there will affect the important air-stream to the underside of the rear wing. And since it can't be powerful exhaust gases but rather has to be waste-air (in my opinion), this would have a negative effect on rear-wing efficiency (clean air is better)... so why do it?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112627Lotus: 'twin-tusk' nose advantage made clear during F1 2014 testing
No team will every admit that something is a good design during testing if it really is. My prediction is that Lotus actually didn't make their numbers, and will be developing a Mercedes/Ferrari style nose.Holm86 wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112627Lotus: 'twin-tusk' nose advantage made clear during F1 2014 testing
Like Mercedes engine/ERS (or even the whole car - "exceeding expectations")? I heard plenty people talking about it but it's good to know that in fact it sucks. Interesting logic.beelsebob wrote:No team will every admit that something is a good design during testing if it really is. My prediction is that Lotus actually didn't make their numbers, and will be developing a Mercedes/Ferrari style nose.Holm86 wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112627Lotus: 'twin-tusk' nose advantage made clear during F1 2014 testing
Is he talking about Ferrari, or should I say team of their former technical director as the convention is not to utter teams' names e.g. "my former team"?"I know some teams had the luck to have visibility [of the idea] quite early and I thought there might have been one or two teams maybe that would have tried it and developed it."The one thing that is difficult with the nose is that it is quite hard to structurally develop and crash test it. It might be that they were already on a [different] path where it was too late to develop that kind of nose."
they actually do need it, mostly because of search for main sponsor. They need make good hype about their car. They need money to devolop the car over season and putting good use of words for their car could help them get money. Last year they had different "modest" approach as they had pretty good car, they had even result and at the end it didn't pay off is it?beelsebob wrote:No team will every admit that something is a good design during testing if it really is. My prediction is that Lotus actually didn't make their numbers, and will be developing a Mercedes/Ferrari style nose.Holm86 wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112627Lotus: 'twin-tusk' nose advantage made clear during F1 2014 testing
I agree Neno. I also just believe they are sponsor fishing. The same with Lopez claiming that the engineers don't believe the extreme figures the car makes in the windtunnel. You don't say something like that. You just shut up and let the car do the talking normally. This is just for the sake of sponsors.Neno wrote:they actually do need it, mostly because of search for main sponsor. They need make good hype about their car. They need money to devolop the car over season and putting good use of words for their car could help them get money. Last year they had different "modest" approach as they had pretty good car, they had even result and at the end it didn't pay off is it?beelsebob wrote:No team will every admit that something is a good design during testing if it really is. My prediction is that Lotus actually didn't make their numbers, and will be developing a Mercedes/Ferrari style nose.Holm86 wrote:Lotus: 'twin-tusk' nose advantage made clear during F1 2014 testing
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112627
Good point, +1. Though the search for a sponsor does reduce this to rather a non-statement – they will say it's great no matter what.Neno wrote:they actually do need it, mostly because of search for main sponsor. They need make good hype about their car. They need money to devolop the car over season and putting good use of words for their car could help them get money. Last year they had different "modest" approach as they had pretty good car, they had even result and at the end it didn't pay off is it?beelsebob wrote:No team will every admit that something is a good design during testing if it really is. My prediction is that Lotus actually didn't make their numbers, and will be developing a Mercedes/Ferrari style nose.
I didn't know wishful thinking is part of features of the car. Yep, they designed problematic (crash tests), aggressive front wing long time ago, measured it (and the whole car model) in wind tunnel, then measured it on track to confirm that the data just to attract sponsors. Do you think Allison talking about noses some time ago was to scare away sponsors from teams or maybe explain to public their choice - especially stressing it's not a not crucial feature?Holm86 wrote: I agree Neno. I also just believe they are sponsor fishing. The same with Lopez claiming that the engineers don't believe the extreme figures the car makes in the windtunnel. You don't say something like that. You just shut up and let the car do the talking normally. This is just for the sake of sponsors.
Lopez aside, actually it's omnicorse who said that the E22 windtunnel numbers were very good and Omnicorse is basing its scoops mainly on Lotus ex-employees informations. Many of Ominocros's scoops were proven true lately.Holm86 wrote: I agree Neno. I also just believe they are sponsor fishing. The same with Lopez claiming that the engineers don't believe the extreme figures the car makes in the windtunnel. You don't say something like that. You just shut up and let the car do the talking normally. This is just for the sake of sponsors.
But again with so many people leaving Lotus many other teams knew about this nose. If it was worth much at least another team would have come up with a similar solution?? But then again something could show up later. As I said back when the first cars was revealed I suspect that noses will be one of the key development factors this year.Blackout wrote:Lopez aside, actually it's omnicorse who said that the E22 windtunnel numbers were very good and Omnicorse is basing its scoops mainly on Lotus ex-employees informations. Many of Ominocros's scoops were proven true lately.Holm86 wrote: I agree Neno. I also just believe they are sponsor fishing. The same with Lopez claiming that the engineers don't believe the extreme figures the car makes in the windtunnel. You don't say something like that. You just shut up and let the car do the talking normally. This is just for the sake of sponsors.
Lopez just confrimed it.
Ominicorse, RacecarEngineering and AMuS reported many interessant news based on recent former Lotus employees indiscretions.
