Mercedes AMG F1 W05

[MercAMGF1Fans]

Does this year's car have FRIC equipped?

Yep..

[Anon123]

What do you think of the car MercAMGF1Fans? You normally have something informative for us.

[Helios]

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 87304.html

This AMuS article claims that Mercedes has an advantage of 0,9 sec. compared to McLaren on the same compound and with the same amount of fuel. Also, Gerhard Berger and Felipe Massa have noticed that the F14 is braking differently compared to the W05. They say that there's a small gap between downshifting on the Ferrari and that it seems almost as if they switch off their engines for a small amount of time under downshifting, while it's completely different when listening to the Mercedes shifting down (basically no gap to be noticed).

Thoughts?

[el-Magico]

I have a feeling it's the most powerful, but chances are the Renault unit may be most efficient.

But wait... with a fuel flow limit, aren't those the same thing?

Fuel is restricted to 100L per hour flow. Races go for over an hour and the cars are limited to 100L in total.

100kg not liters...

[Blackout]

AMuS posted new pics. Here a turbo cooling channel?

[fawe4]

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 87304.html

This AMuS article claims that Mercedes has an advantage of 0,9 sec. compared to McLaren on the same compound and with the same amount of fuel. Also, Gerhard Berger and Felipe Massa have noticed that the F14 is braking differently compared to the W05. They say that there's a small gap between downshifting on the Ferrari and that it seems almost as if they switch off their engines for a small amount of time under downshifting, while it's completely different when listening to the Mercedes shifting down (basically no gap to be noticed).

Thoughts?

We all know Merc is not shipping all theirs engine tech to McLarern. I'm guessing 0,9 comes from that, although it is a lot. And Ferrari is probably genuinely switching their engine off. Saving fuel is becoming a valid strategy.

[turbof1]

I got permission to write an article for f1technical (happy as a child ). This bad boy will be featured:


Really, really a pain in the ass to draw up. But it was worth it!

If this get ripped by some publisher without permission, I'm going to rip something from him: his head.

[godlameroso]

Fuel is restricted to 100L per hour flow. Races go for over an hour and the cars are limited to 100L in total.

100kg not liters...

Which is about 32 gallons. Which means that the engines have to eek out roughly 10km per gallon to make it a race distance. This is especially tricky when last year's V8's were doing around 6km per gallon.

[megasyxx]

Mercedes just seem to be strong in quali then fades away during the race....hopefully this would not be the case this year.

[dren]

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 87304.html

This AMuS article claims that Mercedes has an advantage of 0,9 sec. compared to McLaren on the same compound and with the same amount of fuel. Also, Gerhard Berger and Felipe Massa have noticed that the F14 is braking differently compared to the W05. They say that there's a small gap between downshifting on the Ferrari and that it seems almost as if they switch off their engines for a small amount of time under downshifting, while it's completely different when listening to the Mercedes shifting down (basically no gap to be noticed).

Thoughts?

We all know Merc is not shipping all theirs engine tech to McLarern. I'm guessing 0,9 comes from that, although it is a lot. And Ferrari is probably genuinely switching their engine off. Saving fuel is becoming a valid strategy.

Button hinted the W05 has more DF than the Mclaren at the moment. So, I'd say if there is any difference, it is mainly down to the DF discrepancy. Looking at the Mercedes, it is hard to figure out where the DF is coming from that is much different than the rest of the teams. The center of the diffuser is certainly different, but nobody seems to know what real advantage that gives. The front nose is different than the majority. I think it lies in the details. The rear of the car is really clean, and so is the front. They have maximized the airflow around the car, and probably have more accurate control of vortexes they are purposefully creating.

[Owen.C93]

I got permission to write an article for f1technical (happy as a child ). This bad boy will be featured:
http://u.cubeupload.com/turbof1/frontwingWM.jpg

Really, really a pain in the ass to draw up. But it was worth it!

If this get ripped by some publisher without permission, I'm going to rip something from him: his head.

Good job, I've seen a few people post their drawings here which are just traces or current pictures, so nice work.

[tranquility2k4]

This quote:

"By the way there are rumors that Mercedes is running with only seven gears, indeed during the practice start it seems that drivers are using the 2nd gear, this could suggest that AMG did longer gear ratios, planning to not use the 8th gear, this could explain the sudden drop in rpm during braking and the delay in changing gear during the first phase of acceleration unlike Ferrari and Renault."

from here: http://thejudge13.com/2014/02/24/f1-for ... melbourne/

Any idea of why they would do this? What performance gains?

[beelsebob]

This quote:

"By the way there are rumors that Mercedes is running with only seven gears, indeed during the practice start it seems that drivers are using the 2nd gear, this could suggest that AMG did longer gear ratios, planning to not use the 8th gear, this could explain the sudden drop in rpm during braking and the delay in changing gear during the first phase of acceleration unlike Ferrari and Renault."

from here: http://thejudge13.com/2014/02/24/f1-for ... melbourne/

Any idea of why they would do this? What performance gains?

Presumably, this means they're going for 8th gear being the Monza/Spa gear.

[godlameroso]

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 87304.html

This AMuS article claims that Mercedes has an advantage of 0,9 sec. compared to McLaren on the same compound and with the same amount of fuel. Also, Gerhard Berger and Felipe Massa have noticed that the F14 is braking differently compared to the W05. They say that there's a small gap between downshifting on the Ferrari and that it seems almost as if they switch off their engines for a small amount of time under downshifting, while it's completely different when listening to the Mercedes shifting down (basically no gap to be noticed).

Thoughts?

We all know Merc is not shipping all theirs engine tech to McLarern. I'm guessing 0,9 comes from that, although it is a lot. And Ferrari is probably genuinely switching their engine off. Saving fuel is becoming a valid strategy.

Button hinted the W05 has more DF than the Mclaren at the moment. So, I'd say if there is any difference, it is mainly down to the DF discrepancy. Looking at the Mercedes, it is hard to figure out where the DF is coming from that is much different than the rest of the teams. The center of the diffuser is certainly different, but nobody seems to know what real advantage that gives. The front nose is different than the majority. I think it lies in the details. The rear of the car is really clean, and so is the front. They have maximized the airflow around the car, and probably have more accurate control of vortexes they are purposefully creating.

The difference is how they manage airflow within the chassis. I've said it countless times, externally the different designs for the top teams are only good for a couple tenths at best, it's how air flow is managed within that can give the biggest gains.

[theWPTformula]

I've done an explanation piece on the 'u' bend in the W05's diffuser if you're interested - http://richlandf1.com/?p=19386. Apologies if it has already been discussed, I'm afraid I haven't been up to speed on the forum lately!