Red Bull RB10 Renault

[ringo]

As we can see from the above post the Red Bull problems have very little to do with the ICE and practically everything is related to the ERS.

The issues that are described are of a nature that can be eliminated by running the ERS, the turbo and the ICE together in a mule. Ferrari difinitely did that and one has to assume that MERC also had a mule.

Only Renault were dumb enough to believe in father Xmas and did no mule testing. It really shows now that they are have so many basic issues get got ironed out by their competitors a long time ago.


This shows once again that you have to go to the edge of the rules and use everything available from the black and grey area. Only then you have a decent chance to be competitive. Red Bull screwed up when they decided to rely on Renault for a 2014 engine. They should have made it themselves. The opportunity was there with P.U.R.E. Bad luck they took the wrong turn. The RB10 would have been a much better car from the start. As it stands we know practically nothing about it's competitiveness.

Mule testing? I though each team had an advanced dyno, that made running the engine on track unnecessary?

Anyway, looking at the videos, the redbull still looks like the fastest thing in the corners. Maybe for a competitive season it's good that they have engine problems. The other cars look like gondolas compared to how the rb10 is going through the turns.

[Helios]

Mule testing? I though each team had an advanced dyno, that made running the engine on track unnecessary?

Anyway, looking at the videos, the redbull still looks like the fastest thing in the corners. Maybe for a competitive season it's good that they have engine problems. The other cars look like gondolas compared to how the rb10 is going through the turns.

What kind of videos were you watching? Could you share them, please?

[timbo]

Anyway, looking at the videos, the redbull still looks like the fastest thing in the corners. Maybe for a competitive season it's good that they have engine problems. The other cars look like gondolas compared to how the rb10 is going through the turns.

Not having an engine that actually pushes the car should help with it, ain't it?

[FrukostScones]

Mule testing? I though each team had an advanced dyno, that made running the engine on track unnecessary?

Anyway, looking at the videos, the redbull still looks like the fastest thing in the corners. Maybe for a competitive season it's good that they have engine problems. The other cars look like gondolas compared to how the rb10 is going through the turns.

What kind of videos were you watching? Could you share them, please?

Button made a comment to this, he said the Rb10 passed him with incredible poise in high speed turn 11... he had never seen this before..wwhatever this means.

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[Helios]

Mule testing? I though each team had an advanced dyno, that made running the engine on track unnecessary?

Anyway, looking at the videos, the redbull still looks like the fastest thing in the corners. Maybe for a competitive season it's good that they have engine problems. The other cars look like gondolas compared to how the rb10 is going through the turns.

What kind of videos were you watching? Could you share them, please?

Button made a comment to this, he said the Rb10 passed him with incredible poise in high speed turn 11... he had never seen this before..wwhatever this means.

http://translate.google.de/translate?sl ... ml&act=url

Button was on Mediums, while Ricciardo was on Softs. Plus we don't know anything about fuel loads.
However, this doesn't mean I don't believe that the RB10 is a beast, once it gets running. Which is worrying.

[Juzh]

Button was on Mediums, while Ricciardo was on Softs. Plus we don't know anything about fuel loads.
However, this doesn't mean I don't believe that the RB10 is a beast, once it gets running. Which is worrying.

Peter windsor confirms what button said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQLLdLlE ... be&t=1m45s

[langwadt]

Vía @motorpasionf1: Helmut Marko has said there is a 165 hp difference between the Mercedes and Renault engine.

AMuS reported that too, but that was related to the Complete ERS not working, which is that Power Number. Nothing to do with the Renault Engine.

Hmmmm......can they run a race distance with only V6 power ?

maybe if they run very slow. if my math is half right the 2MJ kinectic energy per lap adds up to something like an
equivalent of 7kg gasoline, assuming the MGU-H adds 10% efficiency that's another 10kg

so not only will they be done on power they will also use ~15-20% more fuel

[Shakeman]

Will the RB be a beast when it is repackaged?

Seems to me that it is a more optimal aero package that doesn't provide enough cooling, I dare say other teams could do a similar job of aero and cook their cars too.

It'll be interesting to see if the RB's coke bottle remains as slender when they overcome their cooling issues.

[Blackout]

What cooling issues ? still talking about cooling? cooling is not the problem. Are Horner, Taffin and Marko lying? and do you really believe the 10mm wide cooling pipes they added yesterday is the ultimate solution that helped them do 66 laps? and do you think the car that did 66 laps yeterday, failed to do more than 0,5 laps today because of cooling ?

[myurr]

What cooling issues ? still talking about cooling? cooling is not the problem. Are Horner, Taffin and Marko lying? and do you really believe the 10mm wide cooling pipes they added yesterday is the ultimate solution that helped them do 66 laps? and do you think the car that did 66 laps yeterday, failed to do more than 0,5 laps today because of cooling ?

No, it's clear there is far more too it. A lot of the talk about cooling is because that's the line that the journalists are taking, but there must be further issues. But the cooling is definitely compounding their problems.

[Manoah2u]

if the engine or power unit parts ends up being overheated [smoke is a clear indicator of that] then its clear as day still that they are having still cooling issues. the question is though, why?

is it 'simple' packaging? perhaps you can compare it to a computer. the same 'engine' [thus processor etc] in a very very tight package will get hotter then a casing where hot air can ventilate through better. now, that's a relative simple issue, but let's keep this thought in the back of the mind.

now we have 2 exactly the same computers. literally. but, we decide to overclock one of them both. the overclocked one is [much] faster, but, it needs proper cooling.

now let's combine these 2. red bull might just have found a way of 'overclocking' the package - and are running into packaging problems regarding proper cooling.

[myurr]

According to Vettel the first failure today was the battery pack which was then replaced. The second failure was mechanical but he didn't elaborate on that.

[stuartpengs]

if the engine or power unit parts ends up being overheated [smoke is a clear indicator of that] then its clear as day still that they are having still cooling issues. the question is though, why?

is it 'simple' packaging? perhaps you can compare it to a computer. the same 'engine' [thus processor etc] in a very very tight package will get hotter then a casing where hot air can ventilate through better. now, that's a relative simple issue, but let's keep this thought in the back of the mind.

now we have 2 exactly the same computers. literally. but, we decide to overclock one of them both. the overclocked one is [much] faster, but, it needs proper cooling.

now let's combine these 2. red bull might just have found a way of 'overclocking' the package - and are running into packaging problems regarding proper cooling.

Not sure about that analogy, to overclock a computer CPU or GPU you increase frequency, to apply a similar thought process to a power train you would have to increase revolutions, which can't be done as far as the ICE is concerned as it's limited to 15,000rpm. With Renault supplying the complete package, one would assume they're the same specification as the other Renault engined cars, but the cooling problems seem to be more chronic on the RB10, which would suggest a packaging issue.

[simieski]

According to Vettel the first failure today was the battery pack which was then replaced. The second failure was mechanical but he didn't elaborate on that.

From: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/26400175

The team said that a battery problem had stopped Vettel out on the track, and that the pit-lane stop was caused by a leak which damaged the car sufficiently to prevent him from going out again.

[gandharva]

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