Red Bull RB10 Renault

[bill shoe]

20.3.4 Any camera or camera housing fitted in the left hand position 2 shown in Drawing 6 must be mounted in order that its major axis where passing through the centre of the camera lens (or corresponding position for a camera housing) does not intersect any part of the car lying forward of the camera or camera housing

So only the left hand one needs an unobstructed view forward, exactly as they have done.

I guess I would say the RB camera in the hole is not "fitted in the left hand position 2 shown in Drawing 6" so it's not compliant regardless of whether it's unobstructed. Another word-parsing battle.

[beelsebob]

20.3.4 Any camera or camera housing fitted in the left hand position 2 shown in Drawing 6 must be mounted in order that its major axis where passing through the centre of the camera lens (or corresponding position for a camera housing) does not intersect any part of the car lying forward of the camera or camera housing

So only the left hand one needs an unobstructed view forward, exactly as they have done.

I guess I would say the RB camera in the hole is not "fitted in the left hand position 2 shown in Drawing 6" so it's not compliant regardless of whether it's unobstructed. Another word-parsing battle.

What makes you think it's not fitted to the left hand position 2 shown in drawing 6? As my illustration above, the actual nose might be extremely narrow at the point that the camera is fitted.

[bill shoe]

They're shrouding an already-aero camera pod. The quantity of lawyer-think relative to the size of the gain is really out of whack. At least McLaren's rear wishbones are significant.

[wesley123]

No, in the same way as teams aren't forced to run with camera pods on both sides of the engine cover

In the case of the engine cover, it only says they need a camera in position 3. It doesn't state both sides like it does for position 2.

Sorry, missed the copied text there.

I think the camera is there but is under the vanity panel.
It's some loophole of that nature i suppose.

Agreed. The rule ACJJ copied states the placement of cameras or camera housings. However, the rule does not state if the camera should project a visible image(although maybe it does in another part)

Anyways, it says camera or camera housings, so one side can be a camera, while the other side can be only housings.

[Shafto]

Love the attention to detail, I assume the purple dots all around the brake assembly are so the mechanics don't miss putting a screw in. Little things all add up don't they?

it's not obvious but you must be kidding

+1 .. he must be .. it's to obvious

those are rivets....

[NathanOlder]

What happens if the organizers want to fit one of those camera's that can move ?

[bhall]

Putting the camera pods inside the nose of the car constitutes a level of brazen badassery on par with Bill Clinton parsing the definition of the word "is".

Bravo. Just bravo.

[NathanOlder]

Just watching onboard with bottas and the camera is panning from looking back at the sidepod then to the front wing. this wont be possible on the red bull, so surely they wont be allowed this ?

[joseff]

The regulations only require for a clear view forward, and even then only from the left-hand side cam.

[myurr]

The regulations only require for a clear view forward, and even then only from the left-hand side cam.

Except if you want to play with the words it doesn't say forward view, it defines it relative to the centre of the camera lens. The FIA have cameras / lenses that rotate, so there is a situation whereby the bodywork does intersect bodywork lying forward of the camera housing. E.g. rotate the camera 15 degrees anti-clockwise.

[avatar]

"Camera or camera housing" on both sides. Whether it's an actual camera or a dummy housing would be agreed upon later.

Also:

20.3.4 Any camera or camera housing fitted in the left hand position 2 shown in Drawing 6 must be mounted in order that its major axis where passing through the centre of the camera lens (or corresponding position for a camera housing) does not intersect any part of the car lying forward of the camera or camera housing

So only the left hand one needs an unobstructed view forward, exactly as they have done.

Wow. That rule doesn't even state an unobstructed view. It just states that a line on the major axis running through the centre of the lens can't intersect anything.

I.e. the appature can be tiny so the images may be a useless tunnel vision view (or a dim, upside down pinhole "camera obscura" view)

If they are allowed to put cameras under the vanity panel then the FIA clearly didn't consider that possible and were assuming the cameras would be in free air.

If (and i suppose we can't judge until qually) RBR have done this, it's acting against the interests of the fans and therefore the TV revenue - it would leave me wondering wonder whether RBR get public relations at all!

(At least use a transparent panel (+hole for regs) so we can still see properly!)

[myurr]

You do have to wonder who the muppet is that actually drafts the rules. They are so consistently poorly written with huge loopholes that aren't at all in the interests of the sport (I defy anyone to argue that it's good for the sport that cameras can be mounted inside the car), and almost always they are completely open to interpretation. Someone somewhere needs replacing.

[joseff]

20.3.1 ...Any decision as to whether a camera or camera housing is fitted in those positions will be by agreement between the relevant Competitor and the Commercial Rights Holder

and

20.3.4 ...does not intersect any part of the car lying forward of the camera or camera housing

It's probable that RB simply requested no cameras at position 2 (as per 20.3.1), then provide a porthole for the dummy camera (as per 20.3.4). Or would 20.3.1 actually allow them to reject a panoramic camera?

EDIT: I was replying to myurr's post on rotating camera 3 posts prior

Now that the precedent is set for position 2, what's stopping everybody else to do likewise to camera position 3?

I guess the only way of enforcing the "spirit" of position 2 would be the words "the entire camera or camera housing must be visible when viewed from the front of the car".

[siskue2005]

Wow, i am amazed how much lateral thinking going on in F1 =D>
But is that camera mount that critical to aero, for someone to do such things?

[stefan_]

2014 Australian Grand Prix, Friday - 14.03.2014