Mercedes AMG F1 W05

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beelsebob wrote:
jurinius wrote:
Emerson.F wrote:Lewis's car just broke down on the first lap.
Power unit failure confirmed :roll:
Uhhh... no.

Oil pressure sensor failure.
Was it an automatic action or Lewis saw the alarm and decided to shut down the engine?

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Automatic.

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Automatic reaction. Lewis didn't have a choice, worrying that the car could potentially shut down at any point without any warning. Seems crazy to let a sensor make these decisions when they have a team in the back monitoring all the data in real time.

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Faustino wrote:Automatic reaction. Lewis didn't have a choice, worrying that the car could potentially shut down at any point without any warning. Seems crazy to let a sensor make these decisions when they have a team in the back monitoring all the data in real time.
The sensor can make decisions like this, because if the oil pressure really does drop suddenly, then the engine will be dead much faster than the team can react.

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beelsebob wrote:
Faustino wrote:Automatic reaction. Lewis didn't have a choice, worrying that the car could potentially shut down at any point without any warning. Seems crazy to let a sensor make these decisions when they have a team in the back monitoring all the data in real time.
The sensor can make decisions like this, because if the oil pressure really does drop suddenly, then the engine will be dead much faster than the team can react.
Yes but what good is it when there's ghosts in the system? The tech should be air tight if it has the option of shutting down a car without any possibility to override.

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Faustino wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
Faustino wrote:Automatic reaction. Lewis didn't have a choice, worrying that the car could potentially shut down at any point without any warning. Seems crazy to let a sensor make these decisions when they have a team in the back monitoring all the data in real time.
The sensor can make decisions like this, because if the oil pressure really does drop suddenly, then the engine will be dead much faster than the team can react.
Yes but what good is it when there's ghosts in the system? The tech should be air tight if it has the option of shutting down a car without any possibility to override.
I hope the Mercedes guys are reading this because you're absolutely right about it.

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Yeah the auto shut down from the sensor is kinda a catch 22... with the reduced number of available power units available before you incur a penalty, you want to salvage every second of running from each power unit so a catastrophic failure really isn't an option. On the other hand, a silly shut down like that with no real apparent problem is a waste of a practice session (hopefully that kind of crap doesn't happen in the middle of a race).
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I do not agree, an automatic shutdown is 100% the way to go in practice. I would much prefer to lose a practice session than have only 4 power units left for the season.

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Pieoter wrote:I do not agree, an automatic shutdown is 100% the way to go in practice. I would much prefer to lose a practice session than have only 4 power units left for the season.
Absolutely.

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but do the friday engines count toward the 5 per season?
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Faustino wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
Faustino wrote:Automatic reaction. Lewis didn't have a choice, worrying that the car could potentially shut down at any point without any warning. Seems crazy to let a sensor make these decisions when they have a team in the back monitoring all the data in real time.
The sensor can make decisions like this, because if the oil pressure really does drop suddenly, then the engine will be dead much faster than the team can react.
Yes but what good is it when there's ghosts in the system? The tech should be air tight if it has the option of shutting down a car without any possibility to override.
On the contrary. The tech should be air tight if it has the option of damaging the engine. It's much more important that the engine doesn't get wrecked for future races than it is to compete in one practice session.

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Powershift wrote:but do the friday engines count toward the 5 per season?
Yes IIRC. But the engine isn't toast. It was only a failed oil pressure sensor.

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Toto Wolff just confirmed that they didn't have enough oil, so the sensor was right.

Source: ORF (austrian television)

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2014 Australian Grand Prix - Friday, 14.03.2014

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stefan_ wrote:2014 Australian Grand Prix - Friday, 14.03.2014
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Two nice little details about this picture from both ends of the technical spectrum:

- the bespoke tool (machined from a single piece I think) used for the rapid nose connector
- use of good old cable ties to hold the master cylinders in place, love that!
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