Red Bull RB10 Renault

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Merc had better have a truckload of updates this season if they want to stay ahead. Once Newey gets this car refined - from what I've read by the many comments by the aero specialists here - this car is going to be a downforce beast. I hope teams can keep up with Red Bulls usually spectacular in season development program...
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gandharva wrote:Yes, that's what I think regarding the silver "thing". I think the silver material is an exhaust heatshield.
This might be the proof that the exhaust pipes are placed horizontal and low... (the golden heatschield)
They lie below the intercooler. The sidepod air duct is inbetween
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Chuckjr wrote:Merc had better have a truckload of updates this season if they want to stay ahead. Once Newey gets this car refined - from what I've read by the many comments by the aero specialists here - this car is going to be a downforce beast. I hope teams can keep up with Red Bulls usually spectacular in season development program...
According to AMUS Newey didn't even start to do aero development until now. At Melbourne engine was at 60% from what they expect in the future said Horner.

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Blackout wrote:This might be the proof that the exhaust pipes are placed horizontal and low... (the golden heatschield)
They lie below the intercooler. The sidepod air duct is inbetween
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Yes. Completely different packaging then any other team has. I already wrote about it during testing. Every piece is arranged as low as possible to create an extremely low barycenter. But I'm still wondering about the massive intercoolers.
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Yes the exhausts are under the radiator cavities.
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gandharva wrote:According to AMUS Newey didn't even start to do aero development until now. At Melbourne engine was at 60% from what they expect in the future said Horner.
*cough* bull***. Sorry, but they were not cruising around at 480bhp while everyone else ran at 800bhp.

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beelsebob wrote:
gandharva wrote:According to AMUS Newey didn't even start to do aero development until now. At Melbourne engine was at 60% from what they expect in the future said Horner.
*cough* bull***. Sorry, but they were not cruising around at 480bhp while everyone else ran at 800bhp.
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What was awkward was that Hamilton almost beat Riciardo down to the first corner. Whilst running one less cylinder!
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beelsebob wrote:
gandharva wrote:According to AMUS Newey didn't even start to do aero development until now. At Melbourne engine was at 60% from what they expect in the future said Horner.
*cough* bull***. Sorry, but they were not cruising around at 480bhp while everyone else ran at 800bhp.
Sorry, but in any time he said the engine was 60% percent of the power, I think he meant the goal wanting to get the engine to run smoothly.

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beelsebob wrote:
gandharva wrote:According to AMUS Newey didn't even start to do aero development until now. At Melbourne engine was at 60% from what they expect in the future said Horner.
*cough* bull***. Sorry, but they were not cruising around at 480bhp while everyone else ran at 800bhp.
There's no mention of the word "power". He's probably talking about the overall potential of the engine.

And just look at all the haters jumping on the hate train before even thinking twice.

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Juzh wrote:There's no mention of the word "power". He's probably talking about the overall potential of the engine.
How do you define potential?

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Belgian media ''F1i magazine'' asked Remi Tafin too if the Renault teams used the full capacities of the ERS but he said no. They then asked him if if they used 80%, he said it's difficult to say, but not at full power...

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timbo wrote:
Juzh wrote:There's no mention of the word "power". He's probably talking about the overall potential of the engine.
How do you define potential?
drivability, consumption, rate of recharge/discharge, power?

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An engine is not only about power. The 60% for sure stand for way more aspects.

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Juzh wrote:
timbo wrote:
Juzh wrote:There's no mention of the word "power". He's probably talking about the overall potential of the engine.
How do you define potential?
drivability, consumption, rate of recharge/discharge, power?
That was rhetorical. Problems with statesments like "engine is at 60% potential" is that it can mean anything. Say engine is capable of producing 700hp, but produces only 699hp 60% of the time. It is clearly at 60% of its potential. But in terms of laptimes it translates to very small difference. Same can apply to any metric -- incl. torque, consumption, reliability etc.

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timbo wrote:
Juzh wrote:
timbo wrote: How do you define potential?
drivability, consumption, rate of recharge/discharge, power?
That was rhetorical. Problems with statesments like "engine is at 60% potential" is that it can mean anything.
I would not say that. The only really useful meaning is, that they have done 60% of the work they had on their plan until now.
And this sounds very reasonable: Now they have their first full race simulation...so they are where they wanted to be at the beginning of the first Bahrain test.
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