2014 too slow? (or not, as the case may be)

[rjsa]

GP2 pole lap: 1m38.865

Fastest Kamui lap Friday: 1m38.257

Fastest Marcus lap Friday: 1m39.136


Yeah, it's slow. I though not, but it is.

[Andres125sx]

GP2 pole lap: 1m38.865

Fastest Kamui lap Friday: 1m38.257

Fastest Marcus lap Friday: 1m39.136


Yeah, it's slow. I though not, but it is.

So even when you compare first FP day of the slowest F1 car with the pole lap of GP2, F1 is still faster...


Thanks for the data

[ylk1]

@megz.. If I am not wrong, the sauber is powered by a ferrari for that season. and it's drivability is worse (without tc) compared to the renault v10.

[rjsa]

GP2 pole lap: 1m38.865

Fastest Kamui lap Friday: 1m38.257

Fastest Marcus lap Friday: 1m39.136


Yeah, it's slow. I though not, but it is.

So even when you compare first FP day of the slowest F1 car with the pole lap of GP2, F1 is still faster...


Thanks for the data

Sure? Read it again...

[iotar__]

Sure? Read it again...

How about you read it again. You compared apples to oranges twice to draw conclusion you wanted.

[Töm87]

I think calling the current cars slow is a bit misleading.
These are still really fast cars.
The pole this year in Bahrain will likely be some 3,5-4 seconds slower than the monsters of 04/05.
To put things in perspective, those cars were close to some 10 seconds a lap faster than F1 of the mid 90es.
Considering all the rule changes to slow down the cars their speed potential is still remarkably high.
I don't think for the viewers it makes much of a difference if a car goes 4 seconds a lap faster or slower. I don't really think you can see this. As long as Formula One is clearly the fastest Motorsport i'm fine with it.
Certainly the cars of let's say 1995 weren't anything less spectacular to watch although they were quiet sloe compared to our modern expectations.
The problem of today's cars is that they are not "mean" anymore. From an outside perspective they look so easy and smooth to drive. The driver doesn't seem to fight in order to keep the car on the track. This gets especially bad of course when the cars are in "cruise mode" during the race. The cars simply have too much downforce in comparison to their engine power. That what make's them look dull.

[ChrisM40]

This years GP2 pole is within last years F1 pole 107% and will likely be well within this years. Thats kind of sad. To me a lesser series shouldn't be able to qualify for the higher series grid on speed.

[Töm87]

This years GP2 pole is within last years F1 pole 107% and will likely be well within this years. Thats kind of sad. To me a lesser series shouldn't be able to qualify for the higher series grid on speed.

Ok, that's true to be fair.
GP2 cats are quiet fast

Whats the budget of an GP 2 team? It's a bit odd that GP2 are that fast with a fraction of the Formula One budgets.

[Sevach]

Whats the budget of an GP 2 team? It's a bit odd that GP2 are that fast with a fraction of the Formula One budgets.

Dietrich is that you?

[McMrocks]

It's odd GP2 isn't a lot faster considering the much bigger diffuser and beam wing.

[siskue2005]

2014 pole time 1:33.186
2013 pole time 1:32.330

just 0.8 sec slow with less df, 50kg extra, smaller engines and harder tyres

i dont think they slow

[WhiteBlue]

just 0.8 sec slow with less df, 50kg extra, smaller engines and harder tyres
i dont think they slow

agree

[Sevach]

harder tyres

On this track in partciular that isn't true, last year they had mediums as options here.

Plus the fact that the temp drops a lot for the night and makes the cars faster.

[strad]

Red Bull master designer Adrian Newey has mocked Formula One's new engine rules, claiming they have produced slower cars without achieving the intended green goals.

Speaking ahead of Sunday's Bahrain Grand Prix, Newey — who designed the cars that won Red Bull the past four drivers' championships — said the new 1.6 liter V6 turbo hybrid engines have increased costs and slowed down the cars for little benefit.

He said the environmental aims of the hybrid engine could have been more efficiently met by reducing the cars' weight without compromising speed, and that there were more ways to be relevant to commercial car production than fuel efficiency alone.

"The cost has gone up hugely to create this," Newey said. "If you put that cost into weight saving, you might be better off in many cases, so to automatically say that this is some huge benefit for mankind is taking a bit of a big leap.

I have tried without success to tell you todays cars are not as quick...Willl you believe Newey?
It's all a farce that is downright shameful.
A total sham.
source ABC news

[Pierce89]

I just hate that the cars are visibly slower in the aero corners.