2014 Bahrain Grand Prix

[iHpled]

here is the speed trap from alonso

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                      S1                S2             S3 (Finish line)
 
Q1                       240              259             283
 
Q2                       240              260             286

Q3 (last flyer)         239              260             282

"As for the Spaniard, he looked on the pace in the first two session, but did not get the most out of the car in the final part and had to settle for tenth place with aq 1.34.992."
http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/bahrai ... row-alonso

Alonso says "he was down on power", Ferrari press says "he didn't get most out of the car". Interesting.

This is typical alonso, when he does well, its all him, and he had to overcome all odds, when he performs badly, it was the car. Every. Single. Time.

+1

............. The speedtrap says nothing... Maybe if he had power kn q3 he would be +5 kph on the q2 speedtraps... Maybe he the speedstraps are the same because he came with more speed out of the corner but lacked on power.....

Dont get me wrong he could be lying about the power loss, but one thing is sure the speedstrap comparison doesnt tell us the whole story

[djos]

Great job from Dan to be within 8/10ths of Rosberg and showing Vettel how to drive an imperfect car to the limits!

[radosav]

here is the speed trap from alonso

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                      S1                S2             S3 (Finish line)
 
Q1                       240              259             283
 
Q2                       240              260             286

Q3 (last flyer)         239              260             282

"As for the Spaniard, he looked on the pace in the first two session, but did not get the most out of the car in the final part and had to settle for tenth place with aq 1.34.992."
http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/bahrai ... row-alonso

Alonso says "he was down on power", Ferrari press says "he didn't get most out of the car". Interesting.

This is typical alonso, when he does well, its all him, and he had to overcome all odds, when he performs badly, it was the car. Every. Single. Time.

JEV had few km/h speed trap difference to Alonso in all sectors, with in S2 being faster than Alonso. But he was always 0.6 sec per lap slower than Alonso, by your logic he would have to be on pair with him. Speed traps can mean a lot of things.

[ringo]

This is typical alonso, when he does well, its all him, and he had to overcome all odds, when he performs badly, it was the car. Every. Single. Time.

+1

Because he's that damn good!!

[Multi21]

Heart-breaking disadvantage for Red Bull from new engine rules.

First dry qualifying and Rosberg ahead, if he wins tomorrow Mercedes should back him up for WDC. They'll win constructors anyway and need to counter Red Bull's possible comeback and their only one driver exists policy. Good to see how it backfired for Red Bull in Bahrain though.

I don't see how it would be logical for them to decide to focus on Rosberg for the rest of the season if he could suffer car trouble at any given point this season and this is only the third race of the season. Right now the difference in points between rosberg and hamilton is only a second place and what message would the Mercedes management be sending to Hamilton if after only three races they decide to start some form of favoritism. They would have inadvertedly started the tensions that all of the f1 press and paddock seems to think will divide rosberg and hamilton 2007 mclaren style.

[thomin]

here is the speed trap from alonso

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                      S1                S2             S3 (Finish line)
 
Q1                       240              259             283
 
Q2                       240              260             286

Q3 (last flyer)         239              260             282

"As for the Spaniard, he looked on the pace in the first two session, but did not get the most out of the car in the final part and had to settle for tenth place with aq 1.34.992."
http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/bahrai ... row-alonso

Alonso says "he was down on power", Ferrari press says "he didn't get most out of the car". Interesting.

This is typical alonso, when he does well, its all him, and he had to overcome all odds, when he performs badly, it was the car. Every. Single. Time.

The funny thing is that with the new formula and drivability being such an issue, he could have told us anything and we wouldn't have been the wiser. Instead he laments a loss of power, which the speed trap numbers show can't really be it...what, did he physically push the car to get to the same speed as before? Does he have a Fred Flintstone hole in the floor?

[ringo]

I think he may be speaking some truth. Caterham's ericson was also reporting a loss of power if i remember.
I'm not saying he won't find excuses sometimes, but a driver of his caliber usually underperforms if there's something wrong with the car. I think it's a very fair statement.
If Usain Bolt says he lost a race because his shoe laces were not tight enough, he has that caliber and weight to make such a silly comment seem to have some amount of plausibility.
I'd more readily dismiss it if Maldonado or Sutil said it.

[kaido]

here is the speed trap from alonso

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                      S1                S2             S3 (Finish line)
 
Q1                       240              259             283
 
Q2                       240              260             286

Q3 (last flyer)         239              260             282

"As for the Spaniard, he looked on the pace in the first two session, but did not get the most out of the car in the final part and had to settle for tenth place with aq 1.34.992."
http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/bahrai ... row-alonso

Alonso says "he was down on power", Ferrari press says "he didn't get most out of the car". Interesting.

This is typical alonso, when he does well, its all him, and he had to overcome all odds, when he performs badly, it was the car. Every. Single. Time.

The funny thing is that with the new formula and drivability being such an issue, he could have told us anything and we wouldn't have been the wiser. Instead he laments a loss of power, which the speed trap numbers show can't really be it...what, did he physically push the car to get to the same speed as before? Does he have a Fred Flintstone hole in the floor?

I don't understand why it is hard to see Alonso was the only driver in the Top 10 not to improve on his Q2 time in Q3

Q2 Time: 1:34.723
Q3 Time: 1:34.992

if Kimi was able to improve by around 0.6second, i don't see why Alonso shouldn't have match or improve on his time unless there was an issue with the car

[mcalex]

Over revving in each corner? Are you referring to wheelspin?

Yeah that's is what I meant ... looking at this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv4_qtuQ ... lpage#t=74

[henra]

Great job from Dan to be within 8/10ths of Rosberg and showing Vettel how to drive an imperfect car to the limits!

Although it has to be said that Ricciardo is really doing an excellent Job, this could have a bit to do with the strange Sound of Vettel's car on the straights in 8th gear, which sounded like misfiring or Rev limiter (He shouldn't be reching the Rev limiter in 8th gear, I assume !?).

This year it appears often difficult to tell Driver mess-ups from technical woes (See also Alonso). Especially since technical problems can negatively Impact the driveability of the car and are thus not always measurable from the outside.
The good thing about is: Everyone can attribute bad performance to the cause he prefers.

[Rikhart]

This is typical alonso, when he does well, its all him, and he had to overcome all odds, when he performs badly, it was the car. Every. Single. Time.

The funny thing is that with the new formula and drivability being such an issue, he could have told us anything and we wouldn't have been the wiser. Instead he laments a loss of power, which the speed trap numbers show can't really be it...what, did he physically push the car to get to the same speed as before? Does he have a Fred Flintstone hole in the floor?

I don't understand why it is hard to see Alonso was the only driver in the Top 10 not to improve on his Q2 time in Q3

Q2 Time: 1:34.723
Q3 Time: 1:34.992

if Kimi was able to improve by around 0.6second, i don't see why Alonso shouldn't have match or improve on his time unless there was an issue with the car

You ever heard of "driver errors"?

[Unc1eM0nty]

............. The speedtrap says nothing... Maybe if he had power kn q3 he would be +5 kph on the q2 speedtraps... Maybe he the speedstraps are the same because he came with more speed out of the corner but lacked on power.....

Dont get me wrong he could be lying about the power loss, but one thing is sure the speedstrap comparison doesnt tell us the whole story

I fail to see how he can match these speeds without full power

[kaido]

You ever heard of "driver errors"?

yeah sure but both Alonso Q3 laps where slow, i am not saying he didn't make an error, but to not improve on his Q2 time with fresh tyres and two attempts leads me to question whether everything was working perfectly with the car

[thomin]

You ever heard of "driver errors"?

yeah sure but both Alonso Q3 laps where slow, i am not saying he didn't make an error, but to not improve on his Q2 time with fresh tyres and two attempts leads me to question whether everything was working perfectly with the car

Well, with top speeds being similar, but the lap time being slower, lack of power seems to be a rather unlikely culprit. Since that is exactly what Alonso claimed, it strongly indicates that he made it up in order to cover his butt.

[siskue2005]

You ever heard of "driver errors"?

yeah sure but both Alonso Q3 laps where slow, i am not saying he didn't make an error, but to not improve on his Q2 time with fresh tyres and two attempts leads me to question whether everything was working perfectly with the car

No, Wrong...he was on used tyres for his first run...if you had the paid app on ios or android you would have noticed
his first run in Q3....see his tyres are blackend and also the '5' near it means it has been run for 5 laps now

and the speed traps after his first run


here is his second flyer in Q3 and he is on fresh tyres and so is everyone else


and here are the speed traps after the Q3 runs