Ferrari F14T

[Postmoe]

We don't have proof backing those statements. May be right, may be wrong.

The results don't count?

It's more than obvious they lack a bit everywhere and a big bit on the PU side.

Results only say something is wrong. They give us insuficient information on what is exactly wrong, because 2 of the 3 tracks are quite unusual.

So nothing is obvious. One of the only things we can know more or less for sure is that the car has significant wheelspin, because we have seen the drivers suffer from it. And also of course because the team is saying the same as us. Aero wise, we don't know. But if it were to be so terrible, the car would be sonsistently near or behind Renault, and with very bad aero sector times, which does not happen.

[wesley123]

We don't have proof backing those statements. May be right, may be wrong.

The results don't count?

If you base it on results then it surprises me why you would say that the car is worse than the Lotus.

Your post regarding performance had no base, and if you take the results as an argument for your post, then it has even less as Ferrari has better results than Lotus and Mercedes had better results as Red Bull.

I'm not sure about it since I haven't watched any on boards, but if the car indeed does have more/large amounts of wheelspin then that shares no relation whatsoever to downforce. Downforce has very little effect accelerating out of corners due to the lower speeds, thus, logically this would mean the problem isn't aero. However until there is some evidence it is all guesswork what the issue is.

[Afterburner]

If you base it on results then it surprises me why you would say that the car is worse than the Lotus.

Your post regarding performance had no base, and if you take the results as an argument for your post, then it has even less as Ferrari has better results than Lotus and Mercedes had better results as Red Bull.

I'm not sure about it since I haven't watched any on boards, but if the car indeed does have more/large amounts of wheelspin then that shares no relation whatsoever to downforce. Downforce has very little effect accelerating out of corners due to the lower speeds, thus, logically this would mean the problem isn't aero. However until there is some evidence it is all guesswork what the issue is.

Of course you can't only look for the numbers on the paper, you need to see all the details, i gave my opinion based on all the details i can catch and on interviews i read, for example, Lotus said that only RedBull have better cornering speed than the E22, they said it after Malaysia, saying that, the F14T for sure also needs a little more aero downforce.

[erikejw]

It's obvious to me that they lack traction. The Force indias just put the power down and passed us before half straight. On another level. The Mercs put 23 seconds on the other Merc powered cars in 10 laps. Quite unreal. First straight arter s car they put 100 meter on the followers. They have outstanding traction control within the rules.

I have a decent idea of what they do. Ferrari on the other hand may not lack power but their power delivery is beyond horrible. The good news is that IT is more of a software problem. Another question is. Fuel flow limits is only over some rev. Can you go below that rev and have better torque on a higher gear if IT was designed that way?

[Ganxxta]

If they really have to much power out of the corners and therefore wheelspin, wouldn't the easiest and fastest solution be to change a few gears up just enough so that they don't have wheelspin and then back down a gear when the tires got grip?

higher gear+lower revs=less torque=less wheelspin ? or am I on the wrong foot?

They have instant shift times, so that shouldn't be the problem.

You can't accelerate faster then the traction of the tires allows anyway.

I'm doing a similar thing in the winter on ice with my rearwheel drive car, just easy with 3rd gear to avoid any wheelspin.
Ok its non-turbo and max. torque is at 6500RPM and not over the whole RPM range, so might be different with a turbo.

[henra]

I have a decent idea of what they do. Ferrari on the other hand may not lack power but their power delivery is beyond horrible.

From what I've seen so far I would say they are clearly down in raw power on the Mercs. They lost out not only when accelerating from low Speeds but also from higher Speeds. In the latter department they seemed to be slightly better than the Renault powered Teams but still siginificantly worse than Merc powered cars.
Compared to Renault powered cars they seemed to have clearly worse power delivery (accelerating from low speeds) but perhaps slightly higher power (accelerating from higher Speeds).

My personal ranking based purely on observations during the races:
Raw Power: Merc >> Ferrari > Renault
Power delivery/Harvesting: Merc > Renault > Ferrari
Fuel consumption: Merc < Renault </= Ferrari

[jagunx51]

First time i see this

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/ima ... 8e1gif.gif

me too....is that a vortex from the wheel nut ?

[stefan_]

First time i see this

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/ima ... 8e1gif.gif

me too....is that a vortex from the wheel nut ?

No, it's coming from the sidepod / floor vanes.

Bahrain Testing - Day 1 (08.04.2014)

[iHpled]

First time i see this

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/ima ... 8e1gif.gif

me too....is that a vortex from the wheel nut ?

No, it's coming from the sidepod / floor vanes.

Bahrain Testing - Day 1 (08.04.2014)

http://i.imgur.com/7mfJaNe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/avLOkUa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/M4x9Tsp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AdmMjVD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Nyzbdsj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nRNjgoc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uPlEJhH.jpg

New rear wing and jumbobumbo brake ducts?

[avatar]

New front hub duct/wheelnuts?

[jagunx51]

simple solution for cooling fan ..... and some mysterious holes ....

[BlackSwan]

https://twitter.com/piusgasso/status/453452557437116416

[jagunx51]

New front hub duct/wheelnuts?

my guess .....but isn't it illegal now ?

[Kiril Varbanov]

Nice closer view of the large brake ducts:

[aleks_ader]

New front hub duct/wheelnuts?

my guess .....but isn't it illegal now ?

http://i.imgur.com/h7zVfJo.jpg

I think it is not illegal. Last year just RB and Williams abandoned it, cuz its probably makes no difference or positive effect on tire wake to help "coanda" exhaoust.

The ducts may not rotate with the wheels nor may they, or any of their mountings,
protrude axially beyond the outer face of the wheel fastener.

But if i remember well FIA just mandated nut secure system.

All cars, whilst under their own power, must be fitted with devices which will retain the wheel fastener in the event of it coming loose

EDIT: So if Ferrari accomplished all that rules the design must be clear.

Is that jet nozzle inside the hub assemblies made from rapid prototype like material? That could allow cheap ant quick test of all different sort of nozzles shapes and interpretations. And double test rig serves as data logging/measuring tool for easy evaluation of whole air-duct nozzle effect on car performance and behaviour. Today without EBD or "coanda" exhaust every aero help witch helps to better seals diffuzor is priceless. NIce try for Ferrari.