2014 Bahrain Grand Prix

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GrizzleBoy
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All I know is that:

-Getting into P1 at the first corner
-Fighting in the first stint against Nico with DRS disadvantage
-Fighting in the second stint with strategy
-Fighting in the third stint against Nico in equal machinery, with slower tyres of the same age as Nico's faster ones, with a DRS disadvantage....

This must be one of Lewis' favourite races of all time.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:All I know is that:

-Getting into P1 at the first corner
-Fighting in the first stint against Nico with DRS disadvantage
-Fighting in the second stint with strategy
-Fighting in the third stint against Nico in equal machinery, with slower tyres of the same age as Nico's faster ones, with a DRS disadvantage....

This must be one of Lewis' favourite races of all time.
I see him as an attacker, I'm sure he prefers the races where he was passing rather than defending for the win.
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Powershift wrote:
GrizzleBoy wrote:All I know is that:

-Getting into P1 at the first corner
-Fighting in the first stint against Nico with DRS disadvantage
-Fighting in the second stint with strategy
-Fighting in the third stint against Nico in equal machinery, with slower tyres of the same age as Nico's faster ones, with a DRS disadvantage....

This must be one of Lewis' favourite races of all time.
I see him as an attacker, I'm sure he prefers the races where he was passing rather than defending for the win.
Defending can be just as thrilling as attacking. Especially when it was as hard as it was and especially when you KNOW that if you don't win the battle your championship is screwed.

I can almost guarantee you that the flow of emotions from:

-Yes! I got in front and pulled a gap!
to
-Omg safety car? Now? And Nico's starting right behind with with soft tyres and DRS? It's over..
to
-OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE I MADE IT THROUGH THAT!!

Left a huge grin on his face that will last till the next time he makes a mistake or has mechanical issues.
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Powershift wrote:
GrizzleBoy wrote:All I know is that:

-Getting into P1 at the first corner
-Fighting in the first stint against Nico with DRS disadvantage
-Fighting in the second stint with strategy
-Fighting in the third stint against Nico in equal machinery, with slower tyres of the same age as Nico's faster ones, with a DRS disadvantage....

This must be one of Lewis' favourite races of all time.
I see him as an attacker, I'm sure he prefers the races where he was passing rather than defending for the win.
It's all racecraft. I'm sure clinging on under intense pressure is just as enjoyable as getting past someone at the death. As a viewer that's certainly how I felt.

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turbof1 wrote:Admittingly, this battle couldn't have happened without DRS. It's one of the rare occasions were DRS actually made racing better.
This may well be the first race where DRS worked as intended. It put the drivers into a position where they could attack, but it didn't make passing a foregone conclusion, evidenced by the fact that Hamilton was able to fend of the quicker Rosberg.

I'm still overall against the concept of DRS, but if it continues to work like this, I may change my opinion :o

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Anyone who is surprised by Hamilton's racing needs to remember his F1 history against team mates. Remember his rookie year against Alonso? Or his racing with Button on occasion? Always hard and never likely to give up when wheel to wheel.

Rosberg needs to figure out how to race Hamilton or he's going to find Hamilton taking points off him every race.

Like him or loathe him, Hamilton is a racer to the core. Rosberg is very fast, no doubt, but being fast isn't going to be enough this year I think.
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lebesset wrote: so now taking the normal racing line is deliberately crowding your opponent off the track , is it ? or do you think it is an abnormal change of direction ?
if that were the case there would be no motor racing !
if you try and overtake around the outside and cause a collision then you are culpable if the other driver keeps to the normal line
Imagine there is a concrete wall instead of the white line. I know there isn't, but in my opinion that's how they should be driving for the sake of fairness. Hamilton would've put both Rosberg and himself out of the race multiple times if there was a wall all along the white line.

Even then if you guys say "it's OK" i'd love to see someone do the same moves (crowding) in say - monaco or singapore :lol: You have to be consistent, rules are rules, you can't just turn a blind eye just because some tracks have run offs, it's a deceiving thought.
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djos
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kooleracer wrote:
djos wrote:
kooleracer wrote:Also big thanks for Pirelli for giving F1 back to the drivers. Yesterday we say drivers really attacking each other and fighting for position unlike last year were drivers would simply yield to preserve tires. Drivers can fight again in F1 and that is the biggest improvement since Pirelli joined to sport, it was like watching drivers fight in the Bridgestone and Michelin era. We can now conclude that Webber robbed F1 from 4 potentially titanic battle's in F1. Daniel is making Vettel look ordinary, if Daniel beets Vettel this year his four previous WC are meaningless in my eyes. F1 could have been so much better if the likes of Kimi,Alonso,Lewis or Rosberg would have been in the second Red Bull.
You are ignoring the fact that the Pirelli's are what hurt Webber's performances, he was from the sprint all the way generation and tip-toeing around saving fragile tires just didn't suit him!

You only need to look at the time sheets from the last WEC test to see he's still got it.

Great to see Pirelli pulling their finger out and bringing tires worthy of F1 this year, took them long enuf!

Fantastic racing between Dan and Seb tho and great to see Dan jump Hulk too!

Fantastic race full stop, loved it! Best race for a long time!
Nope he doesn't still got it, he even said that in an interview on he did during the 2014 Australian GP on ONE TV. He stated that corners that were easily flat out for him in the past he would struggle with them. Also the WEC LMP1 drivers are good drivers but most of the F1 drivers are better drivers without a shadow of a doubt.
You didn't see the entire interview then because he was talking about the fragile tires.
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lebesset wrote:
djos wrote:
kooleracer wrote:Also big thanks for Pirelli for giving F1 back to the drivers. Yesterday we say drivers really attacking each other and fighting for position unlike last year were drivers would simply yield to preserve tires. Drivers can fight again in F1 and that is the biggest improvement since Pirelli joined to sport, it was like watching drivers fight in the Bridgestone and Michelin era. We can now conclude that Webber robbed F1 from 4 potentially titanic battle's in F1. Daniel is making Vettel look ordinary, if Daniel beets Vettel this year his four previous WC are meaningless in my eyes. F1 could have been so much better if the likes of Kimi,Alonso,Lewis or Rosberg would have been in the second Red Bull.
You are ignoring the fact that the Pirelli's are what hurt Webber's performances, he was from the sprint all the way generation and tip-toeing around saving fragile tires just didn't suit him!

You only need to look at the time sheets from the last WEC test to see he's still got it.

Great to see Pirelli pulling their finger out and bringing tires worthy of F1 this year, took them long enuf!

Fantastic racing between Dan and Seb tho and great to see Dan jump Hulk too!

Fantastic race full stop, loved it! Best race for a long time!
well webber had to drive with the same as everyone else , rules change , you have to adapt
what really hurt him in my view was his size ; red bull liked that , the car was so fast he could still keep bringing points without threating vettel too often
don't think danny boy has the same problem , expect him to be there or there abouts withh vettel all season given equal luck
Agreed, Webber himself is the first to admit he didn't like or adapt as well or as quickly as others to the fragile Pirellis.

Thankfully Pirelli are now producing tires worthy of f1! Took them long enuf!
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stefan_ wrote:The times when a driver was able to win a championship by not having the best car are long gone. Get over it.
Not really. Look how close Alonso got in '10 & '12. Alonso is special, but he proves its not long gone.
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Just_a_fan wrote:Anyone who is surprised by Hamilton's racing needs to remember his F1 history against team mates. Remember his rookie year against Alonso? Or his racing with Button on occasion? Always hard and never likely to give up when wheel to wheel.

Rosberg needs to figure out how to race Hamilton or he's going to find Hamilton taking points off him every race.

Like him or loathe him, Hamilton is a racer to the core. Rosberg is very fast, no doubt, but being fast isn't going to be enough this year I think.
Personally, I support Rosberg over Hamilton, but I agree with what you said. I wasn't surprised by Hamilton. However, I'm not yet sure whether Rosberg is smart to not risk anything or whether that's what will prevent him from ever achieving ultimate championship potential.

Sure, had Senna sat in Rosberg's seat, he would have taken out Hamilton just to prove a point and to show Hamilton that he won't be able to act the way he did. And given how dominant Mercedes is this year, it probably wouldn't have hurt a bit. Then again, Niki Lauda would have acted the way Rosberg did, biding his time.

I can see the advantages of either approach. On the one hand, assuming that Mercedes will remain dominant throughout the season, it's better to take out your teammate and not finish than losing points to him by finishing behind. On the other hand not only would this be lethal to the in-team atmosphere, but if the other teams catch up, it may be lethal to the championship ambitions as well, see the 2007 season where a superior McLaren car with arguably the best driver pairing was ultimately beat to both championships.

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gray41 wrote:After the race when Nico was "play fighting" with Lewis, his body language reeked of submissiveness, lowering his head and holding Lewis.

Lewis was as he was on track, standing up strong.
I'm sorry but I find this ridiculous.
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Pierce89 wrote:
gray41 wrote:After the race when Nico was "play fighting" with Lewis, his body language reeked of submissiveness, lowering his head and holding Lewis.

Lewis was as he was on track, standing up strong.
I'm sorry but I find this ridiculous.
Agreed, all I saw was a slightly frustrated respect from Rosberg - he knew Lewis had raced him hard but fair.
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I hate that in f1 it has become completely acceptable for the inside car to push the outside car off like Lewis and most other drivers did in this race. That's dirty racing in virtually any type of racing outside of 2000's European single seater racing.
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Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970

“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher

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Pierce89 wrote:I hate that in f1 it has become completely acceptable for the inside car to push the outside car off like Lewis and most other drivers did in this race. That's dirty racing in virtually any type of racing outside of 2000's European single seater racing.
Oh how quikly they forget, please watch below my young padowan. This is racing end of story. You probably dont remember Nico running Fernando and Lewis clean off the track two years ago on the same track? What Lewis did to Nico was fair and square. He got schooled while he should've won the race with all the advantage he had.

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