McLaren MP4-29 Mercedes

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Crucial_Xtreme
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outer_bongolia wrote: If this works, they will then need to optimize the hot air outlets as well. Heck, if the half -or none- butterfly suspension looks good with the outlets where they are, Macca will be able to find even more speed by optimizing the shape of the rear end.
It will be interesting to see if down the road the team decide to use the butterfly on only the upper or lower arms. Maybe using one gives the DF they need and cuts the drag to a more acceptable level than having them on both the upper and lower arms.

CjC
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Macca reckon they have sorted the cluch issues:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113370

I'm more interested in the last few paragraphs. Boullier after Malaysia was very down beat about mclarens prospects this season, if I call correctly he said mclaren may catch Mercedes on speed at next seasons European rounds! Never mind this year! But in this article he is a lot more upbeat about catching merc this season, which leads to to think- have they seen some from this test whether it be something to do with the butterfly suspension or something else?
Just a fan's point of view

mclaren_mircea
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What about Mclaren's gearboxes for China? Last year if you didn't finish the race you could change the gearbox and you receive no penalty. It is the same this year? I found that the gearbox has to resist 6 races, and if you change one you will get the penalty, or it is the same like last year, when you could change the gearbox if you had a DNF? The gearbox could have been damaged from the clutch problem and they might change the gearboxes for China. So will they take a penalty grid if they change the gearbox?
Or if that yesterday after the crash, they may have changed the gearbox on Kevin's car (because the damage repairs lasted for hours, so might have been the gearbox), will he receive a penalty for China?

akshat21
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No. If you get dnf. I dont think u get a penalty. But if you go over the allotted number of gearboxes u will have to take a penalty.

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akshat21 wrote:No. If you get dnf. I dont think u get a penalty. But if you go over the allotted number of gearboxes u will have to take a penalty.
How many gearboxes
can be used? If he change the gearbox after 3 races, the next one has to last 9 races, to have 12 races for 2 gearboxes?

akshat21
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mclaren_mircea wrote:
akshat21 wrote:No. If you get dnf. I dont think u get a penalty. But if you go over the allotted number of gearboxes u will have to take a penalty.
How many gearboxes
can be used? If he change the gearbox after 3 races, the next one has to last 9 races, to have 12 races for 2 gearboxes?
There is also a provision in the rules that they can change damaged parts in a gearbox if the fia delgate is satisfied that there is actual damage. So, if clutch was the problem and there is damage to the gearbox, they might just replace worn out or damaged parts.

Jef Patat
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akshat21 wrote:
Jef Patat wrote:
gray41 wrote:Suspension failure in todays test for McLaren.
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12430 ... -in-tweets
Indeed, broken rod. A bit easier to find between the rest:
http://www.scribblelive.com/Event/Bahra ... /112778855
The image is captioned front wing failure
Didn't it occur to you that the caption might be wrong? I see no damage to the wing, I do see damage to the rod.
Other accompagnying images are:
http://www.scribblelive.com/Event/Bahra ... /112778621
http://www.scribblelive.com/Event/Bahra ... /112779008
Closely read the captions and watch the pictures.

mclaren_mircea
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akshat21 wrote:
mclaren_mircea wrote:
akshat21 wrote:No. If you get dnf. I dont think u get a penalty. But if you go over the allotted number of gearboxes u will have to take a penalty.
How many gearboxes
can be used? If he change the gearbox after 3 races, the next one has to last 9 races, to have 12 races for 2 gearboxes?
There is also a provision in the rules that they can change damaged parts in a gearbox if the fia delgate is satisfied that there is actual damage. So, if clutch was the problem and there is damage to the gearbox, they might just replace worn out or damaged parts.
Kevin's problem with the clutch began during qualifying, and if they could have change the broken parts in the gearbox, they would have changed them before the race, but they didn't.

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GA on the MaCa FW update in Bahrain

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via AutoSport

Matt Somers
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What Piola / GA missed is that the cascade is actually narrower on the new wing too, I talked about it here:

http://grandprix247.com/2014/04/10/tech ... downforce/
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Owen.C93
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Matt Somers wrote:What Piola / GA missed is that the cascade is actually narrower on the new wing too, I talked about it here:

http://grandprix247.com/2014/04/10/tech ... downforce/
It doesn't look any narrower to me.
http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/McL ... 769427.jpg
Motorsport Graduate in search of team experience ;)

langwadt
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akshat21 wrote:
mclaren_mircea wrote:
akshat21 wrote:No. If you get dnf. I dont think u get a penalty. But if you go over the allotted number of gearboxes u will have to take a penalty.
How many gearboxes
can be used? If he change the gearbox after 3 races, the next one has to last 9 races, to have 12 races for 2 gearboxes?
There is also a provision in the rules that they can change damaged parts in a gearbox if the fia delgate is satisfied that there is actual damage. So, if clutch was the problem and there is damage to the gearbox, they might just replace worn out or damaged parts.
Sporting regulations:
....
a)
Each driver may use no more than one gearbox for six consecutive Events in which his
team competes. Should a driver use a replacement gearbox he will drop five places on
the starting grid at that Event and an additional five places each time a further gearbox
is used.
Any replacement gearbox will only be required to complete the remainder of the Event
in question.

Unless the driver fails to finish the race (or is unable to start the race for reasons other
than a penalty imposed by the stewards) the gearbox fitted to the car at the end of the
Event must remain in it for the remainder of the six race sequence.
Any driver who failed to finish the race at the first, second, third, fourth or fifth
of the six Events for reasons which the technical delegate accepts as being beyond the control
of the team or driver, may start the following Event with a different gearbox without a
penalty being incurred.
...

I think the only time you would be allowed to replace a gearbox without a penalty is if it was damaged in a crash or similar

JimClarkFan
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Nice to see the butterfly suspension finally being tested fully against no butterfly.

Prediction....a guess is probably more appropiate actually, but I feel the butterfly suspension will not be around it's current form much longer

Matt Somers
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Owen.C93 wrote:
Matt Somers wrote:What Piola / GA missed is that the cascade is actually narrower on the new wing too, I talked about it here:

http://grandprix247.com/2014/04/10/tech ... downforce/
It doesn't look any narrower to me.
http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/McL ... 769427.jpg
Perhaps perspective is playing it's part again then but the older cascades looked a lot wider to me

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miguelalvesreis
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Matt Somers wrote:
Owen.C93 wrote:
Matt Somers wrote:What Piola / GA missed is that the cascade is actually narrower on the new wing too, I talked about it here:

http://grandprix247.com/2014/04/10/tech ... downforce/
It doesn't look any narrower to me.
http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/McL ... 769427.jpg
Perhaps perspective is playing it's part again then but the older cascades looked a lot wider to me

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/So ... 6e3b44.jpg
So it seems. Looking at the vertical support, on the new one is over the bump on the main profile, where on the older one is a bit to the center.