2014 Spanish Grand Prix - Barcelona

[beelsebob]

Again, no one is arguing that Ricciardo had a better race in China.

Of note, Vettel said this on April the 19th. One day before the Chinese Grand prix. He actually said it in the morning, before even qualifying had happened.

[mnmracer]

Do you have any factual data to support your premise, or is your entire premise based on the assumption that people in the paddock are lying?

Vettel said Ricciardo was beating him fair and square. I'll look for the article. Btw you quoted the wrong person in the post above.

That does not change the fact that you're saying that all of the reported issues are a lie.

[beelsebob]

Do you have any factual data to support your premise, or is your entire premise based on the assumption that people in the paddock are lying?

Vettel said Ricciardo was beating him fair and square. I'll look for the article. Btw you quoted the wrong person in the post above.

That does not change the fact that you're saying that all of the reported issues are a lie.

No one is saying they're a lie. They're saying they've not been reported the way you think they have.

Vettel asserted he didn't like the feel of the downshift at Malaysia. That doesn't mean that the gearbox was faulty, or that there was any issue. That can equally well mean "I really can't deal with the feeling I get from this car". As no one has asserted that there actually was a fault, and the team have a good history of telling us when they've repaired items like that, it's only reasonable to assume it's the latter.

Vettel meanwhile adds fuel to the idea that it's the latter by telling us straight up that it's not that he's having issues, it's that he's being beaten fair and square.

[Mandrake]

Let's assume for a moment it is true; still doesn't explain the difference between pace and tyre wear in China.

It's probably said in his notebook; I'll get back to you about that. Ted usually is reliable, but I have to see from who he got it, and if it's confirmed or suspected.

In China we had a green track come raceday. I believe this is why Lewis was much better than Rosberg and Daniel better than Vettel. The good Setups from Friday were not working on Sunday, while Hamilton never found a setup on Friday and "lucked" into a good setup on Sunday

[mnmracer]

Vettel said Ricciardo was beating him fair and square. I'll look for the article. Btw you quoted the wrong person in the post above.

That does not change the fact that you're saying that all of the reported issues are a lie.

No one is saying they're a lie. They're saying they've not been reported the way you think they have.

Vettel asserted he didn't like the feel of the downshift at Malaysia. That doesn't mean that the gearbox was faulty, or that there was any issue.

Again you're not speaking the truth.
To quote:
""We had some issues with the shift. Between Q1 and Q2 something went wrong and we couldn't fix it in time, so I had to do the lap compromised," said Vettel."

[bhall]

Folks, at some point, you just have to learn that you can't have a conversation with certain people about certain drivers. It's like pissing into the wind.

Here's a good example of the futility:

It was once claimed that overcoming external obstacles was an "admirable" mark of the driver's abilities.

How does a driver who had his championship fights affected by not-his-fault-retirements more than any other driver "known far more success than failure"? The fact he kept his head cool in late 2010 despite everything that had and kept going wrong, is admirable if anything.

But, now that the results have changed, such external obstacles are claimed to be the only reason for the driver's struggles.

How is it not clear what the issue is?
Australia qualifying & race: power train
Bahrain qualifying: gearbox
Bahrain race: MGU-K harvesting

Nothing unclear about that. All well reported.

Generally speaking, I think only the deeply devoted can find a way to sit on both sides of the fence like that. It's almost religious in scope, like proselyting to others in order to justify the perpetual exaltation of someone for whom normal rules don't apply.

Again, you're not going to get anywhere with this.

[beelsebob]

Yep, bhall, you have it absolutely right unfortunately. If not even the driver he loves can convince him of something, what chance do we have. Also, this really has very little to do with the Spanish grand prix.

[mnmracer]

Folks, at some point, you just have to learn that you can't have a conversation with certain people about certain drivers. It's like pissing into the wind.

Correction: and expect them to find it perfectly acceptable that you are making patently false statements.
It's not that hard is it

[George-Jung]

Also, this really has very little to do with the Spanish grand prix.

And on that bombshell...

[turbof1]

Do you have any factual data to support your premise, or is your entire premise based on the assumption that people in the paddock are lying?

Vettel said Ricciardo was beating him fair and square. I'll look for the article. Btw you quoted the wrong person in the post above.

That does not change the fact that you're saying that all of the reported issues are a lie.

What is it with you and lies? I already said Ted is quite reliable, but we still need to find his source. Being wrong is not the same as lying you know; the world is hardly that black and white.

[beelsebob]

Also, this really has very little to do with the Spanish grand prix.

And on that bombshell...

Haha, I would +1 you if I could.

My prediction for this race:

Qual:
1. HAM
2. RIC
3. ROS

Race:
1. HAM
2. ROS
3. ALO

[mnmracer]

What is it with you and lies?

Let's see, you claim that the team told Vettel everything was working, which was untrue.
Beelesebob claimed that Vettel didn't say there was an issue, which was untrue.

Not sure how your untrue claims are my fault.

Vettel said Ricciardo was beating him fair and square. I'll look for the article. Btw you quoted the wrong person in the post above.

That does not change the fact that you're saying that all of the reported issues are a lie.

I already said Ted is quite reliable, but we still need to find his source. Being wrong is not the same as lying you know; the world is hardly that black and white.

Even if you can't find a source, based on what do you claim that you know better than Ted?

Ted without source is still light years ahead of you or me without source or data.

[gray41]

Hard to look past Lewis for this one, I just hope the battle for 3rd is a good one between Alonso, Ricciardo and Vettel.

[mnmracer]

Hard to look past Lewis for this one, I just hope the battle for 3rd is a good one between Alonso, Ricciardo and Vettel.

I reckon we'll see a similar situation to Malaysia. If Alonso can get ahead of the Red Bulls, it's safe to say he'll stay there with the speed deficit.

[mboutla]

Here is my prediction that everybody 's waiting for:

Qual:
1. HAM
2. ROS
3. ALO

Race:
1. ALO
2. HAM
3. RIC