Mclaren Mercedes 2014

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astracrazy wrote:your right - look at the fw camera's which are too low. But why on earth they put mp4-29 on the rear wing - why not put mp4-24..
Because it is painted and decaled to represent the 29!

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I'm just saying its not like the mp4-29 bit is a sponsor, its just the car name. So why not carry that across to the mp4-24 and put mp4-24?

as we can see 1 page back it already confuses some people

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adrianjordan
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Re: Mclaren-Mercedes F1 Team 2014

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I could be wrong, but from the fact that it's parked in (what certainly looks like) a car park, that this might be a privately owned car, not one owned by McLaren and so the owner could have simply chosen to paint it like this.

Surely McLaren would have painted it with this year's livery rather than a testing livery...
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Re: Mclaren-Mercedes F1 Team 2014

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https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/for ... 8--f1.html
"Force India is revelling in beating ex-technical partner McLaren in this season's Formula 1 constructors' title race, according to deputy team principal Bob Fernley. Vijay Mallya's squad led McLaren for the first half of last year's battle, until its competitiveness faded following Pirelli's decision to tweak its tyre compounds in the face of repeated blowouts. Fernley reckons it will be difficult for Force India to raise its level to that of frontrunner Mercedes, or Red Bull, but he is hopeful the Silverstone-based outfit can continue to fight Ferrari and remain ahead of McLaren across the rest of the campaign.

"Lotus are struggling at the minute and are not where they want to be and McLaren would be our next competitor and they're struggling too. I'm not in the slightest bit sad about that - may their problems not be too insignificant!" Fernley told AUTOSPORT."

I would like to see Bob Fernley's face when Mclaren speeds up the development pace. Boullier said that Mclaren will have extensive upgrade packages with specific downforce levels until the end of July 2014, and that the amount of downforce produced at the factory is bigger than in any point during the winter. Let's see if Force India can keep mantein the same pace. So much arrogance in this team. They forget the level of their facilities and factory they have. If Mclaren had a mess in 2013 and a slow start in 2014, that doesn't mean that they will remain behind Force India. :twisted:

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Re: Mclaren-Mercedes F1 Team 2014

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They are a smaller team and beating a team like McLaren in the championship can bring about some level of recognition and sponsorship.

They need to be a little obnoxious and smug while they can.

Remember FI is facing a lot of problems back in India with both the financial backers in dire straits.

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mclaren111
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Re: Mclaren-Mercedes F1 Team 2014

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I agree with rich1701- Button is not a Class A driver. He is not a team leading driver that can push development. We need a top driver. FA would be the ideal.

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Del Boy wrote:
JDC123 wrote:
rich1701 wrote:I think Mclaren's problem is Jenson Button. He isn't able to provide a direction for the team on setup or development. When things go wrong, he is clueless.
I've never understood this in the past when people have said driver x is better than driver y because he is better at developing the car. The driver has no understanding of the design of the car or how different areas of development will improve/affect the car. All he does is describe what is happening during the lap e.g. understeer at turn 4, oversteer on exit of turn 9 etc, and even then most of those details will appear in the telemetry anyway. My point is surely every driver can describe what he feels in the car during a lap, so how can particular drivers be labeled a good development driver?
One of the reasons this is often mentioned is because of how drivers react to cars. Drivers are said to prefer cars that oversteer or under steer and therefore because of this preference their judgement is relative to what they prefer. Cars can be built to naturally under or oversteer (road cars have under steer designed into them) therefore if your driver likes/prefers/has better aptitude for say oversteer you can build a car to suit his preference and enhance his natural talent. Which should make the car faster. Of course the placebo effect could also be in play!?
A driver who describes what the car is doing as feedback is doing the bare minimum of what is required. That is the mark of a good driver. But a great driver like Alonso, Vettel, Schumacher, Senna can dictate and shape the car around their driving style as quickly as possible. And Jenson doesn't do this on the same level in my view. Thus mclarens package isn't optimised.

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mclaren111
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Very well said rich1701 !!! Also, I think Ron need to change his view on No 1 Driver status. We have lost too many championships because of that. That will also greatly assist with the development of the car.

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Sorry to continue beating up on Jenson but when he is a second a lap faster than everyone else and wins by a mile. He doesn't know why. When he is nowhere below tenth place complaining about shuddering (an old Jenson favourite that one) he has no idea why.

It's that lack of understanding that has created so many hit and miss performances for him.

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Kiril Varbanov
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Changes at Mclaren - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113727

Aero people Tony Salter from Sauber and Guillaume Cattelani from Lotus will land at MTC.

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mclaren111
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I wonder if they have consulted with PP on these appointments. Cannot see why not. :twisted:

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MercedesAMGSpy
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rich1701 wrote:
Del Boy wrote:
JDC123 wrote:
A driver who describes what the car is doing as feedback is doing the bare minimum of what is required. That is the mark of a good driver. But a great driver like Alonso, Vettel, Schumacher, Senna can dictate and shape the car around their driving style as quickly as possible. And Jenson doesn't do this on the same level in my view. Thus mclarens package isn't optimised.
Agreed, and having a rookie every year won't help developing the car. McLaren need a top driver.

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What is the situation with Tony Salter and Guillaume Cattelani? I found different storyes. That they have already signed for Mclaren and that started to work for Mclaren, and the other that are still at Lotus and Sauber and will begin to work for Mclaren at some point in the future.

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What means this: "Part of the effort involves the signing of key new aerodynamicists. AUTOSPORT can reveal they include Tony Salter from Sauber and Guillaume Cattelani from Lotus.

These will help the team in the period before aero chief Peter Prodromou comes on board next year, and while the legal uncertainty remains over Dan Fallows."

They signed only for a determined period of 6 months they will help the team until Prodromou comes on board? Or that they will take on their shoulders the amount of work until Peter comes, but will remain at Mclaren after than anyway?

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mclaren_mircea wrote:What means this: "Part of the effort involves the signing of key new aerodynamicists. AUTOSPORT can reveal they include Tony Salter from Sauber and Guillaume Cattelani from Lotus.

These will help the team in the period before aero chief Peter Prodromou comes on board next year, and while the legal uncertainty remains over Dan Fallows."

They signed only for a determined period of 6 months they will help the team until Prodromou comes on board? Or that they will take on their shoulders the amount of work until Peter comes, but will remain at Mclaren after than anyway?
/facepalm #-o

Of course they will stay.