Mclaren Mercedes 2014

[Pierce89]

What means this: "Part of the effort involves the signing of key new aerodynamicists. AUTOSPORT can reveal they include Tony Salter from Sauber and Guillaume Cattelani from Lotus.

These will help the team in the period before aero chief Peter Prodromou comes on board next year, and while the legal uncertainty remains over Dan Fallows."

They signed only for a determined period of 6 months they will help the team until Prodromou comes on board? Or that they will take on their shoulders the amount of work until Peter comes, but will remain at Mclaren after than anyway?

/facepalm

Of course they will stay.

You do realize may people here have english as their second or third language? Why would you insult them over a lack of understanding?

[mclaren_mircea]

Mclaren is already trying the Lotus style nose in the wind tunnel. The nose will not be tried in Spain, because of the crash tests. But it is very possible that we will see the nose on mp4-29 in the later races of the year, possibly in June. According to Omnicorse there will be upgrades on the car for Spain, but not so many, as we would have expected. The italians are going for brake ducts with aero purpouses, like Ferrari had in China, but we won't see a complete package (FW, RW, sidepods, floor, etc). It's unacceptable that if after such a long break, they don't come with more slimer sidepods. The suposition about the Lotus nose is based on the large amount of mechanics and engineers that bleed from Lotus to Mclaren since November-December 2013.

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/37476/ ... ella-lotus

[mclaren_mircea]

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 36682.html

Interesting article about Mercedes intellectual property that might pass from Brixworth to Tochigi. Boullier denied that (with a slight smile), while Wolff said that inevitably there will be a relevant amount of information which Honda will benefit. But he sees Honda in an inferiour position for next year, as Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault have 3 or 4 teams which races their engine, and have huge amount of information to refine, more than Honda can test in Japan. Read the article it's very interesting.

[MercedesAMGSpy]

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 36682.html

Interesting article about Mercedes intellectual property that might pass from Brixworth to Tochigi. Boullier denied that (with a slight smile), while Wolff said that inevitably there will be a relevant amount of information which Honda will benefit. But he sees Honda in an inferiour position for next year, as Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault have 3 or 4 teams which races their engine, and have huge amount of information to refine, more than Honda can test in Japan. Read the article it's very interesting.

Wolff is right. Honda will have some information of Mercedes, but Mercedes have a year experience/mileage with their engine, so I think there is a lot of work to do for Honda.

[Waffle]

Mclaren is already trying the Lotus style nose in the wind tunnel. The nose will not be tried in Spain, because of the crash tests. But it is very possible that we will see the nose on mp4-29 in the later races of the year, possibly in June. According to Omnicorse there will be upgrades on the car for Spain, but not so many, as we would have expected. The italians are going for brake ducts with aero purpouses, like Ferrari had in China, but we won't see a complete package (FW, RW, sidepods, floor, etc). It's unacceptable that if after such a long break, they don't come with more slimer sidepods. The suposition about the Lotus nose is based on the large amount of mechanics and engineers that bleed from Lotus to Mclaren since November-December 2013.

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/37476/ ... ella-lotus

Here's the same story in English:

http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/4864 ... _in_Spain/

They suggest that it could be run in Spain, but as the Omnicourse story seems to be their source I don't know how they could know that.

[Holm86]

Mclaren is already trying the Lotus style nose in the wind tunnel. The nose will not be tried in Spain, because of the crash tests. But it is very possible that we will see the nose on mp4-29 in the later races of the year, possibly in June. According to Omnicorse there will be upgrades on the car for Spain, but not so many, as we would have expected. The italians are going for brake ducts with aero purpouses, like Ferrari had in China, but we won't see a complete package (FW, RW, sidepods, floor, etc). It's unacceptable that if after such a long break, they don't come with more slimer sidepods. The suposition about the Lotus nose is based on the large amount of mechanics and engineers that bleed from Lotus to Mclaren since November-December 2013.

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/37476/ ... ella-lotus

Here's the same story in English:

http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/4864 ... _in_Spain/

They suggest that it could be run in Spain, but as the Omnicourse story seems to be their source I don't know how they could know that.

If they run it at Spain it will be after the race weekend in the in-season test. But I don't know if they're even going to run such type of nose. I don't think their speculations are based on solid information.

[Thunder]

And German Speed Week also reports that McLaren has had the Tusk Nose in their Wind Tunnel for quite some Time.
But they claim to not know if they will bring it to Spain or even if they will ever test it on Track. As Pat Symmonds has stated a lot of Teams knew about the Lotus Nose and tested it. Could be that McLaren dumped it after a few Days in CFD. No one knows. I believe every one of the Top 5-6 Teams simulated almost every Single Nosecone, so these Articles would count for many Teams.

http://www.speedweek.com/formel1/news/5 ... en-GP.html

Eric Boullier said something about an Interesting Update for Spain. Maybe it's the Nose, maybe the slimmer Sidepods or something completey different. It's all so vague i wouldn't bet on anything. I still think the Merc / Ferrari Solution would be the more obvious Way to go.

[CjC]

Reading in between the lines of these two articles, My hopes have dropped for any substantial upgrades, or a rise in the level of competitiveness.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113802

http://m.skysports.com/article/formula1//9299878

First up, Button is cooling the thoughts of upgrades by saying we need to understand the car rather than putting new parts on it.

Secondly Boullier says they have identified the weakness of the car (aero) and have put solutions in place long term and short term (the 2 new aerodynamicists and Peter Prodromou).
And I quote: 'While not all of those will be in evidence in Barcelona this weekend.' (I.e. No major aero updates.)

Damn!

[Thunder]

Could we at least wait till Barca is over until we Doom them?

JB doesn't say they don't understand the Car, they want to understand it better , like every other Team.

[MercedesAMGSpy]

Could we at least wait till Barca is over until we Doom them?

JB doesn't say they don't understand the Car, they want to understand it better , like every other Team.

McLaren showed their ability to improve their car during a season. The only concern is that the drivers claimed the car was easy to drive, it's only not fast enough because of a lack of downforce. McLaren need some big updates to challenge Ferrari, Red Bull, but it's possible to achieve.

[KingHamilton01]

I think McLaren's situation has a lot of similarities in respect to last season, from what I remember Button was talking along the same line's saying we have to understand the car and it's problem's before we unlock it's true potential. there are a lot of area's where it's clear to see McLaren can improve Sidepod size being one but that is down to mercedes and there exhaust updates, so I would be surprised not see some development in this area. But what concern's me is they came out and said that they are struggling to get there tyre's to work for them.

This coupled with a lack of downforce and Button coming out and saying they have to understand the car more doesn't fill me with confidence in all honesty. Spain is massive on Aero and this will be a true test of where McLaren are with there car and hopefully they do have some substantial upgrades, nose, front wing, rear wing etc as there will be no better benchmark to test the car's ability. I don't mean to sound downbeat but im not holding out for any win's this season, personally think Ron Dennis hasn't conducted himself well on his return coming out with outrageous comments like we will gain this amount of time and we will be winner's again. McLaren for me should purely focus on getting re-structured staff wise and find out if there any correlation problem's between track and windtunnel Data.

[Waffle]

Over on the Autosport board there's a poster who appears to be a McLaren insider. He says no walrus nose - it didn't go well in the wind tunnel. There seems to be no source for the original story after all. If I was a betting man, I'd say it's not going to happen.

[mclaren111]

I agree - very well said Kinghamilton. I stated last week that I think the correlation problem is still not finalized, and I get the impression that now they are looking at medium and long term only.
Button says:
"We're still at the early stages with our car, and, for us, it's less about the components that we fit to it, and more about the bigger picture - finding a useful direction, gaining trust in our measurements and pushing ahead.

I read an interview from EB a while ago - cannot remember which site - but in the interview he said it was difficult to split current recourses on the current car and working with Honda.
I think they have spent a lot of time with Honda and it has turned out to be more difficult than they expected. IMHO

[Thunder]

They keep SAP as Sponsor in Spain:

[mclaren111]

Are there "fins" along the edge or is it shadows or possibly a paint job ???