Marussia driver Jules Bianchi will start today's Monaco Grand Prix from the back of the grid following a gearbox change earlier today. The youngster qualified 19th during yesterday's qualifying session, but as his team discovered an issue with the gearbox and decided to change it, he receives a five place grid penalty.
johnsonwax wrote: If Merc qualifies off the front row (rain, crash, whatever reason) and RB is on the front row, can the Mercedes get past? Lewis has a long history of trying to get past at Monaco, and a pretty long history of visiting the armco or the other guys sidepod in the effort. It wouldn't be a glorious win for RB, but 25 points is 25 points.
I dunno, I can think of only as many instances where he's found a side pod as where he's actually got past. The key is that any overtake (by anyone) at Monaco is entirely in the hands of the defender, as Maldonado demonstrated in 2011. Schumacher knew Hamilton was along side, and didn't turn in. Maldonado didn't (or chose to turn in anyway), and crashed.
johnsonwax wrote: If Merc qualifies off the front row (rain, crash, whatever reason) and RB is on the front row, can the Mercedes get past? Lewis has a long history of trying to get past at Monaco, and a pretty long history of visiting the armco or the other guys sidepod in the effort. It wouldn't be a glorious win for RB, but 25 points is 25 points.
I dunno, I can think of only as many instances where he's found a side pod as where he's actually got past. The key is that any overtake (by anyone) at Monaco is entirely in the hands of the defender, as Maldonado demonstrated in 2011. Schumacher knew Hamilton was along side, and didn't turn in. Maldonado didn't (or chose to turn in anyway), and crashed.
A bit Senna style as I have to believe some commentators, let me pass or crash.
beelsebob wrote:I dunno, I can think of only as many instances where he's found a side pod as where he's actually got past. The key is that any overtake (by anyone) at Monaco is entirely in the hands of the defender, as Maldonado demonstrated in 2011. Schumacher knew Hamilton was along side, and didn't turn in. Maldonado didn't (or chose to turn in anyway), and crashed.
Lewis totally snowplowed Massa in the same race. Also got run over by Alguersuari that race. 3 collisions in one race for one car, two of which earned him penalties. How many times did Massa hit St Devote last year?
My point being, that there is no margin for error on passing, on pushing, etc. You're going to be perfect or slow or knocked out.
MercedesAMGSpy wrote:A bit Senna style as I have to believe some commentators, let me pass or crash.
Well, there's basically no other option at Monaco. I guess if you want a procession though...
Oh no, I don't like Monaco at all. Only saturday Q3 is interesting and then it's a done deal. I can't wait for Canada, that is a beautiful circuit with proper fans.
last year in spain, Merc Dominated the last sector. Ferrari were faster than Merc in sector 1 & 2 but Merc wer 6 tenths quicker in sector 3. (the slow , mechanical grip part of the lap.) They went to Monaco and were quicker in Qualy and won the race due to the nature of the track (no overtaking)
Go forward 1 year, and Daniel Ricciardo matched the pole lap in sector 3. (i know Rosberg went a little faster, but still Ricciardo matched Lewis' pole lap)
Sector 3 is more like monaco than sector 1 & 2 by a country mile, so surely by looking at this, its clear to see the Merc will be the best in Monaco, but not by much from Red Bull.
I also dont understand why people say the Red Bull is the best in high speed corners, this has NOT been backed up at any point this season in the timings. The Red Bull has been a lot closer in the slower corners, not the faster ones. In Spain, sector 1 in Qualy, Ricciardo & Vettel were over half a second down on Hamilton. And sector 1 is all about 3 fast turns, along with high speed on the straight. As far as I knew, Red Bull were losing out more on acceleration, and thats not alot in sector 1. So its just 3 high speed turns, where they were losing over 0.500! Huge.
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NathanOlder wrote:
I also dont understand why people say the Red Bull is the best in high speed corners, this has NOT been backed up at any point this season in the timings. The Red Bull has been a lot closer in the slower corners, not the faster ones. In Spain, sector 1 in Qualy, Ricciardo & Vettel were over half a second down on Hamilton. And sector 1 is all about 3 fast turns, along with high speed on the straight. As far as I knew, Red Bull were losing out more on acceleration, and thats not alot in sector 1. So its just 3 high speed turns, where they were losing over 0.500! Huge.
Sector 1 also has the 2nd half of the big start/finish straight, where RB were about 14km/h down though
But I agree with your post, I think the high df/fast in high speed corners speculation partly comes about from how RB close the gap in wet qualis (which could be explained by reasons other than downforce)
Don't forget that both cars will have been set up to play to their strengths. With a Monaco setup Mercedes may well be able to respond. But I do think it's likely to be a lot closer than before.
Tunnel exit has been resurfaced. Bump that sent perez into the wall and armco is no more. Not sure how I feel about this (not the crash obviously). It was nice to see cars bouncing around under braking as it posed a challenge to the driver and gave the overtaking guy a chance down the inside.
NathanOlder wrote:
I also dont understand why people say the Red Bull is the best in high speed corners, this has NOT been backed up at any point this season in the timings. The Red Bull has been a lot closer in the slower corners, not the faster ones. In Spain, sector 1 in Qualy, Ricciardo & Vettel were over half a second down on Hamilton. And sector 1 is all about 3 fast turns, along with high speed on the straight. As far as I knew, Red Bull were losing out more on acceleration, and thats not alot in sector 1. So its just 3 high speed turns, where they were losing over 0.500! Huge.
Sector 1 also has the 2nd half of the big start/finish straight, where RB were about 14km/h down though
But I agree with your post, I think the high df/fast in high speed corners speculation partly comes about from how RB close the gap in wet qualis (which could be explained by reasons other than downforce)
As soon as serious acceleration/decelleration is involved in a sector with fast turns, the Mercs are very close if not faster than RB. Only if engine power and driveability are completely out of the story the RedBull goes quicker through corners than the Merc.
NathanOlder wrote:
I also dont understand why people say the Red Bull is the best in high speed corners, this has NOT been backed up at any point this season in the timings. The Red Bull has been a lot closer in the slower corners, not the faster ones. In Spain, sector 1 in Qualy, Ricciardo & Vettel were over half a second down on Hamilton. And sector 1 is all about 3 fast turns, along with high speed on the straight. As far as I knew, Red Bull were losing out more on acceleration, and thats not alot in sector 1. So its just 3 high speed turns, where they were losing over 0.500! Huge.
Sector 1 also has the 2nd half of the big start/finish straight, where RB were about 14km/h down though
But I agree with your post, I think the high df/fast in high speed corners speculation partly comes about from how RB close the gap in wet qualis (which could be explained by reasons other than downforce)
Wasnt the Renault powered Toro Rosso's fastest in the speed traps in Qualy? Showing the fact that its capable of the top speed so maybe Red Bull were doing their usual tricks of running plenty of downforce. So maybe has looked good in the high speed stuff just because they run more downforce? Maybe? I think when everyone is running maximum down force this weekend, we will see for sure where the cars are mechanically and in slow corners. I still dont buy the whole "Red Bull the best car in the high speed turns"
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NathanOlder wrote:
Wasnt the Renault powered Toro Rosso's fastest in the speed traps in Qualy? Showing the fact that its capable of the top speed so maybe Red Bull were doing their usual tricks of running plenty of downforce. So maybe has looked good in the high speed stuff just because they run more downforce? Maybe? I think when everyone is running maximum down force this weekend, we will see for sure where the cars are mechanically and in slow corners. I still dont buy the whole "Red Bull the best car in the high speed turns"
They're 3 seconds off the pace. Seems to me to get any kind of top speed with renault PU you have to shed off so much drag and DF that in the process you make yourself totally uncompetitive. RB is the only relevant car to measure top speed against mercs.
