Ferrari F14T

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First high quality shot of the front of the ICE I have seen. So is the intercoler in the V (water to air), and the compressor at the back behind it? If so it is a VERY compact layout. Makes me wonder if they can cool the charged air as well as a more standard layout such as RB.

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I was about to post it too : P
So they have put the intercooler in the V!?
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Blackout wrote:I was about to post it too : P
Thoy they have put the intercooler in the V!?
Its a water-to-air intercooler. So the cooling bit of the system is located in the V it seems.

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Yes.

You cant shorten the way with the compressor and the intake manifold more than that IMO : P

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So it sits in the V, just like this
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Scarbs pic.

I thought it was just an oil tank when I saw this pic
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Pierce89 wrote: I agree mostly with what you said about spotting some flow reversal, however, I disagree about it being an issue worthy of hand-wringing. Ferrari have what is obviously the third quickest chassis but I feel they are much closer to the front in terms of chassis performance than they have been. I think downforce-wise they are near as dammit to the Bull and the Merc, however Red Bull seems to have much better forward traction out of slower corners mechanically, while Merc probably has a chassis roughly equal to the Bull(rb10 probably has a small df advantage) but with a huge power and driveability advantage.
I agree with you, but just for argument sake I never mentioned downforce or differences with others, I commented on the blog-post and how it could have some validity removing the concept of drag or vorticity.

I still see that the move from a thick (greater than 35%) chamber along say 60+% of a chord will cause the effect of abrupt flow separation. Which "could" (notice the wording) explain the loose wobble on the exit of fast corners, considering the side pods accts like a symmetric airfoil, this would alter Cl, with greater Cl on the outer side of the corner, working in favour of centrifugal force. Another explanation would be a change in power displacement on the axels with their engine map, but who knows.

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Hi!

I have been working with turbocharged engines for the past 4 years so I wanted to share a couple of thoughts on the PU.
Provided that the turbocharger technology is the same (single scroll vs twin scroll), I think that one of the main differences between Mercedes and Ferrari PU is given by the exhaust system. Look how shorter the ducts are in case of the Mercedes. Usually the length of the ducts between manifold and turbine plays a huge role but again, I am not totally sure about the technology that is used on these engines. I would expect a pulsating turbocharger for this application but if that is the case then Ferrari might be loosing something with all that extra volume before the turbine. In this case is really hard to make a guess because turbo housing, exhaust manifold, and cylinders firing order are all important variables. Not to mention the use of the MGU-H. My bet is that Mercedes designed the most responsive turbocharger and uses the MGU-H as a generator for most of the time (to limit boost pressure and stabilize pulsations).

These are my 2 cents,

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
wesley123 wrote:Sidepods seem different. As far as I can remember the old ones were wider at the floor than at the top, now it seems to be of a smoother, shorter profile.
The sidepods were changed in Spain.

Start of season
http://images.adrivo.com/images/1440/959/0554885.jpg

Bahrain Test:
http://i.imgur.com/M4x9Tsp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/avLOkUa.jpg

Spain:
http://formula1.com/wi/enlarge/sutton/2 ... 0my137.jpg
http://formula1.com/wi/enlarge/sutton/2 ... 0my236.jpg

Monaco
http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Fer ... 779856.jpg
To Be honest with you, I know they've changed... If you say Spain I'll agree. It's really hard to see it. The shape hasn't changed much and depending on the angle you look at them from, they look different. Messes with your head.

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This comparison shows the sidepod profile update:

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Look also at Ups sticker, the sidepod is much more rounded

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atlantis wrote:Look also at Ups sticker, the sidepod is much more rounded
Due to different angle of the photos taken we can't make the UPS sticker as a focal point if the side pod did change. The more obvious change on the side pod can be seen on the weichai sticker.

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f300v10 wrote:This comparison shows the sidepod profile update:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoQdUp6IQAElxUm.jpg
Angle of both photos are completely different

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nhojekim wrote:
atlantis wrote:Look also at Ups sticker, the sidepod is much more rounded
Due to different angle of the photos taken we can't make the UPS sticker as a focal point if the side pod did change. The more obvious change on the side pod can be seen on the weichai sticker.
The Weichai sticker has moved. Compare its position to the smaller decals below it.
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Blackout wrote:So it sits in the V, just like this
http://i.imgur.com/7wjdK1U.png
Scarbs pic.

I thought it was just an oil tank when I saw this pic
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.ph ... u=14795526
Very interesting, i'd imagine something like this,but i would have never thought it would manifest itself in that way.
It's just wedged in there.
Seems kind of pointless about now. Looks like a lot of compromise just to get the throttle response, and yet they don't seem to have any advantages packaging wise or drivability wise. They have a very responsive undrivable unit at this point.

The size of the intercooler would suggest that the system has a very high mass-flow of water in it. The water circulation system must be very advanced.
It's amazing how this doesn't affect the the intake manifold's effectiveness.
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f300v10 wrote:This comparison shows the sidepod profile update:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoQdUp6IQAElxUm.jpg

grazie mille!