McLaren MP4-29 Mercedes

[Jef Patat]

Scarbs mentioned it in an interview with Peter Windsor on The Racer's Edge. Can't remember which episode.

The chimneys itself might work as intended, but the package as a whole is awful !!!!! As we can see from the results !!!

Ok well then don't say, as you did a few posts earlier, that the chimneys aren't working properly and need to be redesigned. People will take this information as fact and go with it sprouting more misinformation

"People" should be smarter and not take sourceless opinions from members with negative reputation as facts. Claiming that the whole package is awful is just doing injustice to a big team of very smart engineers. And that based on a personal feeling.

[Emerson.F]

It's not just aerodynamics !!!!!!!!!!!! It's the total package that has to work together !!!!!!!!!!

I hope they can get PP to join earlier and leave DF at Red Bull !!!!!!!!!!

I also think Merc is giving them power units with less power - older versions (being careful of Honda).

Dude calm down..

[Emerson.F]

I dont get Mclaren. First race 2nd and 3rd. Second race they introduce a complete new nose design and ever since has gone backwards. A funny thing somebody said that if a car looks beautifull it's usually a good car. The first nose wasn't that bad, but the hideous nose they have now is probably the reason they are lacking front downforce. Jenson has mentioned this at least two times during weekends.

To me the new nose doesn't really look very aero efficient. It looks like it produces the targeted downforce levels in a straight line but, i question its efficiency during cornering.

[trinidefender]

I dont get Mclaren. First race 2nd and 3rd. Second race they introduce a complete new nose design and ever since has gone backwards. A funny thing somebody said that if a car looks beautifull it's usually a good car. The first nose wasn't that bad, but the hideous nose they have now is probably the reason they are lacking front downforce. Jenson has mentioned this at least two times during weekends.

To me the new nose doesn't really look very aero efficient. It looks like it produces the targeted downforce levels in a straight line but, i question its efficiency during cornering.

What exactly about the new nose makes you think that it doesn't work in corners as well as straight lines?

[Blackout]

I dont get Mclaren. First race 2nd and 3rd.

Many average cars got podiums and good results in Melbourne in the history of f1...

[Bomber_Pilot]

I dont get Mclaren. First race 2nd and 3rd. Second race they introduce a complete new nose design and ever since has gone backwards. A funny thing somebody said that if a car looks beautifull it's usually a good car. The first nose wasn't that bad, but the hideous nose they have now is probably the reason they are lacking front downforce. Jenson has mentioned this at least two times during weekends.

To me the new nose doesn't really look very aero efficient. It looks like it produces the targeted downforce levels in a straight line but, i question its efficiency during cornering.

To be honest, they weren't that fast at Melbourne either. Them finishing second and third was down to misfortune and mistakes from other drivers. If Lewis hadn't had that engine problem, he would have finished ahead of the Mclarens, which would have put them down to third and fourth. If Bottas hadn't hit the wall, he would have been infront of them, so we are now down to fourth and fifth. Looking at how fast Williams were at Melbourne, I am sure that Massa would be in front of them easily, if he hadn't been taken out of the race in the first corner. Massa and Bottas started from P9 and P10 and Bottas was flying. So we are down to fifth and sixth. Put Ricciardo in the mix and (maybe) they are suddenly sixth and seventh. I know it all ifs, but the speed just wasn't there.

[Lazy]

I dont get Mclaren. First race 2nd and 3rd. Second race they introduce a complete new nose design and ever since has gone backwards. A funny thing somebody said that if a car looks beautifull it's usually a good car. The first nose wasn't that bad, but the hideous nose they have now is probably the reason they are lacking front downforce. Jenson has mentioned this at least two times during weekends.

To me the new nose doesn't really look very aero efficient. It looks like it produces the targeted downforce levels in a straight line but, i question its efficiency during cornering.

To be honest, they weren't that fast at Melbourne either. Them finishing second and third was down to misfortune and mistakes from other drivers. If Lewis hadn't had that engine problem, he would have finished ahead of the Mclarens, which would have put them down to third and fourth. If Bottas hadn't hit the wall, he would have been infront of them, so we are now down to fourth and fifth. Looking at how fast Williams were at Melbourne, I am sure that Massa would be in front of them easily, if he hadn't been taken out of the race in the first corner. Massa and Bottas started from P9 and P10 and Bottas was flying. So we are down to fifth and sixth. Put Ricciardo in the mix and (maybe) they are suddenly sixth and seventh. I know it all ifs, but the speed just wasn't there.

Not sure thats fair tbh, Kevin q'd 4th and was only beaten by Ricciardo because RB was using more fuel. The Williams looked quick at start of stint but tyre wear meant they petered out. Ferraris and FI were well beaten. They were best of the rest on merit I think. Kevs Q pace would suggest it, especially as he's generally been slower in the dry than JB.
They have just done nothing with the car since.

[RagingBullx]

Hamilton reckons MP4-29 should work here!

“Red Bull have a very good downforce package. And I also think McLaren will be good.

“They have something on their downforce setting, those weird things at the rear.

“I don't know why they're not faster with it, but Jenson said something about the tyre’s working window.

“They'll have a better weekend as well.”



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[molo]

It's same shame for a team with such budget to be in this position, I don't believe it's something with the power unit..They struggled last year as well, with poor if not worst performances... What changed since 2012? When they were the fastest car on the grid?

[Emerson.F]

I dont get Mclaren. First race 2nd and 3rd. Second race they introduce a complete new nose design and ever since has gone backwards. A funny thing somebody said that if a car looks beautifull it's usually a good car. The first nose wasn't that bad, but the hideous nose they have now is probably the reason they are lacking front downforce. Jenson has mentioned this at least two times during weekends.

To me the new nose doesn't really look very aero efficient. It looks like it produces the targeted downforce levels in a straight line but, i question its efficiency during cornering.

What exactly about the new nose makes you think that it doesn't work in corners as well as straight lines?

I think their nose will obstruct airflow during cornering giving less clean air under the front. The rear butterfly suspension apparently also seems to create to much drag.



It does not look very aero efficient, the elongated wingmountings also look like a strange solution.

[wesley123]

And how would this be different compared to any of the other noses?

[henra]

It does not look very aero efficient, the elongated wingmountings also look like a strange solution.

It doesn't have to. The task of the nose is not primarily to be aero- efficient by itself. Its main task is to move the air to where it counts.
And to derive its capability to do that purely from its aesthetics is... ahhmmm... difficult.

[Javert]

And to derive its capability to do that purely from its aesthetics is... ahhmmm... difficult.

Well in some cases

[Pierce89]

Hamilton reckons MP4-29 should work here!

“Red Bull have a very good downforce package. And I also think McLaren will be good.

“They have something on their downforce setting, those weird things at the rear.

“I don't know why they're not faster with it, but Jenson said something about the tyre’s working window.

“They'll have a better weekend as well.”



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Well Jense and Lewis got this one wrong. I wonder why when we could all see that the lack of DF would hurt Mclaren at Monaco, these two thought Macca would be fast. It doesn't speak highly for the drivers' ability to understand the technical side of racing.

[PhillipM]

Because they thought McLarens high downforce package would have an edge with the rear butterflies providing more downforce than the other teams can get, since it's not really a circuit where effiecency is vital. Unfortunately, Mclaren don't seem to have brought a high downforce package bar sticking some extra wing angle on, which tbh is a shot in the foot.