Vettel vs Ricciardo 2014

[djos]

Vettel slower again. Blames his car again.

Yep, and once again proves that without a blown diffuser he's only a good driver, not a great driver!

[Vettel Maggot]

He is claiming he lost 0.4 seconds, yeah right..

[f1h16]

Vettel keeps getting these little issues that are difficult to judge just how much they're costing him. They always seem to be broadcast loudly over the radio.

Its probably just a coincidence but its quite clear he and Ricciardo have similar pace overall with Daniel having a slight edge probably.

[f1h16]

Out of all the driver pairing battles, this one has the most explosive power. Sure Kimi v Alonso or Hamilton V Rosberg is good (but we all kinds figure which way they will all go), but a relative junior up against a 4 x WDC.... let's hope Vettels luck clears up and we can all finally put aside any 'conspiracys'

This is a bit problematic, people seem to want to say "Vettel is struggling to adapt" kind of like saying "Vettel will beat you Ricciardo" but it would take quite a major shift in performances for Vettel to be consistently faster at this point or even faster at all.

[univex]

Alan Jones described in 2010 as the engineers going to the back of the garage and rattling a few spanners around, then telling the driver that they made a few adjustments or found something wrong and fixed it. This is in recognition that the mental state plays a big part of the performance of a driver.
The same thing happened in 2010 when Webber was beating Vettel fair and square. They reported that they found a small crack in Vettel's chassis and then he automatically started winning. Truth is Vettel couldn't modulate the power delivery the way Webber was. At the same time as the chassis upgrade happened there was a engine software upgrade that effectively mapped Webbers power delivery to the engine mapping. This is where Vettel got most of his advantage from.
That was the problem back then. The engine maps and such were all developed for Vettel, and with the blown diffuser the engine maps were far more influential than they are now.
Vettel's advantage over his team mate from car development has been reduced without the blown diffuser.

[Cam]

Vettel slower again. Blames his car again.

Yep, and once again proves that without a blown diffuser he's only a good driver, not a great driver!

That's a bit harsh. Being able to flick your mind around how to drive a blown diffuser car is no mean feat. You have to tell your brain to smash on the throttle when for 20 years you've done the exact opposite. Vettel not only master that he developed it with the team into something no one else could match. That's pretty 'great' in my book.

[univex]

...he developed it with the team into something no one else could match. That's pretty 'great' in my book.

No. The team developed the car around his driving style, making it harder for any of his team mates to compete.
This was exacerbated by the blown diffuser, now that it is gone some of that advantage has gone too.

[Cam]

...he developed it with the team into something no one else could match. That's pretty 'great' in my book.

No. The team developed the car around his driving style, making it harder for any of his team mates to compete.
This was exacerbated by the blown diffuser, now that it is gone some of that advantage has gone too.

By "teammates" you mean teammate - Webber? So you agree the team developed the car and by default, the blown defuser, with Vettel? It was the drivers feedback that tweaked how well it worked. So the car was only as good as the driver could input. All those aero tweaks, engine maps etc all developed by Vettel (and Webber and Buemi as well, probably Ricciardo in there too among others). And it was Vettels ability to keep on throttle, that fed downforce, that improved grip, that increased corner speed, that culminated in faster lap times. Oh, and driving perfectly helped too

I don't like Vettel, but I'm smart enough to know he's good. Personally, even if he wins every race from this point on, there will always be something or some excuses people will find. And he's brought that on himself. Great driver, shite public relationist (is that even a word?).

He can begin to fix that this year with Ricciardo. If he's smart.

[Pierce89]

Vettel slower again. Blames his car again.

Yep, and once again proves that without a blown diffuser he's only a good driver, not a great driver!

That's a bit harsh. Being able to flick your mind around how to drive a blown diffuser car is no mean feat. You have to tell your brain to smash on the throttle when for 20 years you've done the exact opposite. Vettel not only master that he developed it with the team into something no one else could match. That's pretty 'great' in my book.

I feel multiple drivers could've beaten Vettel, had they been given an RB6,7,8, or 9.

[Pierce89]

...he developed it with the team into something no one else could match. That's pretty 'great' in my book.

No. The team developed the car around his driving style, making it harder for any of his team mates to compete.
This was exacerbated by the blown diffuser, now that it is gone some of that advantage has gone too.

By "teammates" you mean teammate - Webber? So you agree the team developed the car and by default, the blown defuser, with Vettel? It was the drivers feedback that tweaked how well it worked. So the car was only as good as the driver could input. All those aero tweaks, engine maps etc all developed by Vettel (and Webber and Buemi as well, probably Ricciardo in there too among others). And it was Vettels ability to keep on throttle, that fed downforce, that improved grip, that increased corner speed, that culminated in faster lap times. Oh, and driving perfectly helped too

I don't like Vettel, but I'm smart enough to know he's good. Personally, even if he wins every race from this point on, there will always be something or some excuses people will find. And he's brought that on himself. Great driver, shite public relationist (is that even a word?).

He can begin to fix that this year with Ricciardo. If he's smart.

In this post, you claim not to like Vettel, yet I've come to consider you one of his and Red Bull's main advocates on F1T. Only Juzh and MNMracer seem to like Vettel more than you do. Nothing wrong with any of this. I just feel you falsely used "I don't like Vettel" to bolster your argument about how great he is.

[Cam]

I guess multiple people could've been the first to walk on the moon too, if they were in the same equipment.

[Pierce89]

Ah no... . Not another conspiracy theory.

Marko suspected a chassis problem, specifically stating that he believed that even though he also said that at the time evidence had yet to be found.

Turns out Marko was just plain wrong. Not like it's the first time. There's nothing made up; they changed the chassis because they weren't sure. Then they made a press release saying they didn't find anything. It's as simple as crossing one item from the possible problem list.

The point is The Helmet suspected a chassis problem simply because his favorite driver wasnt winning.

[Cam]

In this post, you claim not to like Vettel, yet I've come to consider you one of his and Red Bull's main advocates on F1T. Only Juzh and MNMracer seem to like Vettel more than you do. Nothing wrong with any of this. I just feel you falsely used "I don't like Vettel" to bolster your argument about how great he is.

Would you like me to slag him off? Because i do. I respect his achievements and I would post the same content to defend any other drive that was unfairly criticized. All people post here is garbage "any driver would have won". It's a moot point. And no evidence has been provided. Show me evidence another driver would have performed better, and I'll agree with you. Until then, it's just a biased non-factual opinion.

[FoxHound]

I don't like Vettel, but I'm smart enough.........

Why keep coming back and defending him to the hilt if you "don't like Vettel"? I'm struggling to grasp what draws someone into a converstaion, so frequently, for such a long period of time ,to assume such a stance in light of the "don't like".
Generally, if you don't like something....you have no interest in it.

[Pierce89]

I guess multiple people could've been the first to walk on the moon too, if they were in the same equipment.

Yeah, but nobody's claiming Armstrong"s incredible skill got the US to the moon. They acknowledge it was mostly down to technology. This partial season looks like proving a lot of Vettel's accomplishments were also down to the technology.