2014 Monaco Grand Prix

[myurr]

And yet he was 0.059 seconds off pole with his banker lap and improved by 0.067s in the first sector alone so even if he only matched his other two sectors rather than also improved he still would have been on pole.

[prince]

And yet he was 0.059 seconds off pole with his banker lap and improved by 0.067s in the first sector alone so even if he only matched his other two sectors rather than also improved he still would have been on pole.

Is there an official statistic that we can refer to, rather than hearsay? I would appreciate if you can post that.

[myurr]

And yet he was 0.059 seconds off pole with his banker lap and improved by 0.067s in the first sector alone so even if he only matched his other two sectors rather than also improved he still would have been on pole.

Is there an official statistic that we can refer to, rather than hearsay? I would appreciate if you can post that.

The numbers are from tim|away's post above but the lap and sector times are available via the FIA website.
Edit: You can also see each driver's best sector times via F1.com, which can be used to verify all the figures.

[arahman_93]

And yet he was 0.059 seconds off pole with his banker lap and improved by 0.067s in the first sector alone so even if he only matched his other two sectors rather than also improved he still would have been on pole.

I was watching on official f1 website live tracker LH did a green sector for Sector 1. Any way i think all this controversy can be put to bed if they would allow drivers to finish their final laps. (doesn't make sense just because someone when down escape road every driver has to slow down) In the end if drivers allowed to finish their laps no one gains advantage(driver making mistake or on purpose) or a disadvantage(drivers still doing their laps).

[iotar__]

So what, pointless theorizing with best case scenario for preferred driver. Maybe he was pushing too much? I say he would have made an error (like Ricciardo) in the last corner costing him 0,245 and losing pole by 0,001 s. It reminds me of assuming Hamilton's certain win in Australia without engine failure or giving Rosberg no chance in China without telemetry problems.

I still can't believe so much fuss was made about this thing. I blame stupid journalists whose job is to create drama and fill overblown air time and clueless mob called "social media" where preferences and voting replaced reality.

[myurr]

So what, pointless theorizing with best case scenario for preferred driver. Maybe he was pushing too much? I say he would have made an error (like Ricciardo) in the last corner costing him 0,245 and losing pole by 0,001 s. It reminds me of assuming Hamilton's certain win in Australia without engine failure or giving Rosberg no chance in China without telemetry problems.

I still can't believe so much fuss was made about this thing. I blame stupid journalists whose job is to create drama and fill overblown air time and clueless mob called "social media" where preferences and voting replaced reality.

Just matching his other times in S2 and S3 wouldn't be best case yet would have been enough for pole. Rosberg is the driver who fluffed it, Hamilton had his chance taken away from him.

This is a discussion board, where people discuss things, and this was the biggest event in qualifying yet you cannot understand why people are discussing it? Think you're in the wrong place buddy.

[Juzh]

I just watched quali again and sky had a good side by side comparison of rosberg's pole lap vs hamilton's aborted lap. Hamilton was not 2/10 up on ros as he claimed. They were in fact neck and neck. That was before yellow flag zone.

[NathanOlder]

I just watched quali again and sky had a good side by side comparison of rosberg's pole lap vs hamilton's aborted lap. Hamilton was not 2/10 up on ros as he claimed. They were in fact neck and neck. That was before yellow flag zone.

Thats true, but the fact that Lewis was always faster is S2 and pretty much equal in S3 would mean Lewis had a very good shot at pole.
Up on his own time in S1, and as he had a front row already guaranteed there was a good chance he could improve in all 3 sectors. It happens more often than not. Drivers regularly improve on their banker lap. No one can say for sure that he would have gone quicker, Hell he may have binned it and needed a gearbox change so Nico may have done Lewis a favour. All we can say is, If Lewis matched his own S2 & S3 time from his banker, it would have put him on pole.

Anyway, Today should be epicc, lets hope its not an anti climax. We want team mate battles all the way down the grid. Its certainly set up for it. Only Button has more than 2 cars between himself and his team mate and he only has 3. so its all very close.

[NathanOlder]

Also, would someone like to try and explain to me why the Red Bull is faster in S3 ? both Red Bull's faster than both Merc's

[myurr]

I just watched quali again and sky had a good side by side comparison of rosberg's pole lap vs hamilton's aborted lap. Hamilton was not 2/10 up on ros as he claimed. They were in fact neck and neck. That was before yellow flag zone.

Suggest you look again. Rosberg was quicker but then made a mistake through Massenet into Casino losing about 2 tenths. Don't forget that the end of S1 is around that point so given that Rosberg carried too much speed into there it may have given him a faster S1 time than was actually possible on a clean lap. After that mistake Hamilton was indeed ahead and Rosberg then made the mistake into Mirabeau either because he knew he'd fluffed his lap or because he was trying to make up time and made a mistake.

More importantly Hamilton had gained enough in S1 that even if he'd only equalled his previous times in S2 and S3 that he'd have been on pole, given that Rosberg couldn't have improved. If you take his S1 improvement and multiply it by 3 you get the magic 2 tenths.

So there's several reasons and explanations for Hamilton being able to claim that.

[myurr]

Also, would someone like to try and explain to me why the Red Bull is faster in S3 ? both Red Bull's faster than both Merc's

Isn't S3 the most traction dependent? Could be that... Could just be setup playing to the cars relative strengths, could just be the drivers getting more out of the car on their laps. We only have the banker laps to go on where none of the drivers would have been right at 100%.

[tim|away]

Also, would someone like to try and explain to me why the Red Bull is faster in S3 ? both Red Bull's faster than both Merc's

Look at the following map of the track and consider that RedBull is down on power compared to Mercedes.

Sector 1 Sector 2 Sector 3

[jurinius]

+--------------+--------+--------+--------+--------+
|Driver        |Sector 1|Sector 2|Sector 3|laptime |
+--------------+--------+--------+--------+--------+
|Nico Rosberg  |  19.826|  35.241|  20.922|1’15.989|
|Lewis Hamilton|  19.973|  35.140|  20.935|1’16.048|
+--------------+--------+--------+--------+--------+

On his final run, Lewis managed to set a time of 19.906 for Sector 1. That's 0.067 faster than his own personal best - not a couple of tenths and not compared to Rosberg. His Sector 1 time was still slower than Rosberg's previous Sector 1 time. Then again, Lewis was slower in S1, but faster in S2.

It's quite possible that Lewis could have taken pole position, but it's definitely not as clear-cut as a lot of people make it sound.

He was 2 tenths up on Rosberg's second run at the point Rosberg stuffed it. Also if you multiply 0.067 by three you get.... two tenths.

Nice assumption, to multiply by 3. I don't understand that maths well. Whole weekend, Lewis was slower on S1 and S3 and even the last run that he aborted, he was still slower than Pole lap of Nico. There was a comparison that Anthony Davidson was doing on Sky after qualifying, where he compared Lewis' last lap (S1) with that of Nico and it was very clear that there wasn't anything to suggest that lap was going to be mega.

We all know that it is not always question of mega and nobody can be sure for the pole position at 100%. But the fact is that everytime Lewis improved into another sector 1 or 3 he was on top.
I am trying to find the sector time of his Q2 time when he was 0.111 faster than Rosberg to try an analogy. Rosberg was not faster than Lewis all the weekend and there is no limit for the pole attempts for who is speaking for his first stint.

[NathanOlder]

I see what your saying, It still has a big acceleration zone out of Antony Noghes.

[Edax]

I just watched quali again and sky had a good side by side comparison of rosberg's pole lap vs hamilton's aborted lap. Hamilton was not 2/10 up on ros as he claimed. They were in fact neck and neck. That was before yellow flag zone.

That was explained before. He was 2/10's up on his own best first sector. He was consistently faster on the second sector. If he would have matched his best second sector time he would have gotten pole. But that's water under the bridge.

Though I like Rosberg there is something which stung me about this affair. That was the way he celebrated his pole. He should have been well aware that his action caused the yellow to come out and cause the others to abandon their runs. If he didn't figure that out himself then they surely have told him over the radio.

Yet he made a whole theater of celebrating his pole, even putting up a Vettel finger, and pretending in front of the camera's that he didn't know others had to abandon their runs because of him. Yeah sure. If he really didn't know he would not have hidden from Hamilton that fast.

Of course luck is an integral part of racing. If he would have gotten out of the car like "OK this is not how I wanted it, but I'll take it", like many driver before him, then it would be fine with me.

It may sound stupid in an era where hundreds of millions are won and lost in racing, but I like the drivers at least to pretend to not only care about whether they win, but also how they win.