Vettel vs Ricciardo 2014

[FoxHound]

Show me evidence another driver would have performed better, and I'll agree with you. Until then, it's just a biased non-factual opinion.

Ricciardo.

[Cam]

Was wondering when you would show up. Bit early for that comparison to be viable. It has potential though.

[Juzh]

Until vettel's car works for at least 1 entire weekend without problems any comparisons are pointless.

[epo]

How about closing this topic, only Vettel haters tend to show up and fill this thread with bs.

[Cam]

Until vettel's car works for at least 1 entire weekend without problems any comparisons are pointless.

That's not entirely true. We can see FP times and Qualy times. We can also look at the handling if the car by each driver. Certainly so far Ricciardo seems to have the edge on Vettel. But is that enough to right off a 4 x WDC?

Any driver comparisons will be biased and not really accurate. We don't know if they are in the same spec cars even (us Vettel using a different chassis still, different setup, different maps etc)?

Personally, I think a better topic would be on Alonso, given that he's never had a real competitor in the team and clear favorite status. If someone started that topic I'd love to bring some evidence for discussion.

[CHT]

Ricciardo's car is supposed to break down not Vettel. what happen?

[gray41]

Vettel in theory was on for a good result here, unlucky once again… think it could last all season considering he's almost certain to take penalties.

[beelsebob]

Until vettel's car works for at least 1 entire weekend without problems any comparisons are pointless.

That's not entirely true. We can see FP times and Qualy times. We can also look at the handling if the car by each driver. Certainly so far Ricciardo seems to have the edge on Vettel. But is that enough to right off a 4 x WDC?

Yes... Many people have been saying for years that Vettel isn't that great a driver, and was being crutched by an excellent car. This season is simply confirming that.

Any driver comparisons will be biased and not really accurate. We don't know if they are in the same spec cars even (us Vettel using a different chassis still, different setup, different maps etc)?

Any differences are then available to both competitors - getting the car set up right is part of the driver's job.

Personally, I think a better topic would be on Alonso, given that he's never had a real competitor in the team and clear favorite status. If someone started that topic I'd love to bring some evidence for discussion.

Right, Lewis was not a real competitor for him?

[FoxHound]

Was wondering when you would show up. Bit early for that comparison to be viable. It has potential though.

Would you prefer I not show up?
I think your defence of Vettel to be one of someone who likes the guy. Nothing wrong with that, he is a very good driver.
But as has been said before, Ricciardo is showing just how easy Vettel had it with Webber. And, how this lack of competition from within the team made it look as if Vettel was from another planet in terms of perfomance.
The reality is, if you have a good driver in Ricciardo doing this in a new team, it kinda sullies Vettel's achievements.

Put it this way, a 43 year old Schumacher could live with Rosberg and outqualify him on several occasions(more so than Webber against Vettel). People could see, even in a mediocre car, the guy still was very capable at his age.
Rosberg currently has not been far off of Hamilton, lacking the final bite, but very close to Hamilton in the big scheme of things.

Suddenly, Ricciardo pops up and Vettel starts having chassis problems, cant get to grips with this or that. Let me say I didnt think Ricciardo was a very good driver up until he started for Red Bull. At Torro Rosso the difference Betwixt Ricciardo and JEV was paper thin.
He jumps into a Bull and he looks like a tasty driver who has had the upper hand in the first 30 percent of his first season at Red Bull against a 4 time champion.

And you are wondering why people are asking the question of Vettel? Even though you don't like him?

Cam, C'mon dude.

Edit: There is no hating here. let his fans have their say without being labelled fanboys, and let the people who think otherwise have their say without being labelled haters. Use some sense please people.

[Juzh]

Yes... Many people have been saying for years that Vettel isn't that great a driver, and was being crutched by an excellent car. This season is simply confirming that.

And all those issues are not what's preventing him from gaining pace and setting up the car?
Too bad they close your favourite topic (ros-ham) and now you coming here with your bs.

Lauda confirmed lewis cheated in spain btw. gg wp.

[beelsebob]

Yes... Many people have been saying for years that Vettel isn't that great a driver, and was being crutched by an excellent car. This season is simply confirming that.

And all those issues are not what's preventing him from gaining pace and setting up the car?

No, the issues are mostly just made up excuses. Red Bull engineers have admitted that they tend to change things just to boost a driver psychologically, and did this several times in 2010 to get Vettel thinking straight. I don't believe the majority of Vettel's "problems" have been anything at all this season.

[Juzh]

Yes... Many people have been saying for years that Vettel isn't that great a driver, and was being crutched by an excellent car. This season is simply confirming that.

And all those issues are not what's preventing him from gaining pace and setting up the car?

No, the issues are mostly just made up excuses. Red Bull engineers have admitted that they tend to change things just to boost a driver psychologically, and did this several times in 2010 to get Vettel thinking straight. I don't believe the majority of Vettel's "problems" have been anything at all this season.

So aus engine failure, bahrain quali gearbox malfunction, spain quali gearbox failure, monaco quali ers problems and then gearbox failure are all his head?

Those are just quali and race, there were tons more during fps.

[turbof1]

Well, he does have the 2 engines broken down. Those are real issues.

Then again, I don't believe one bite out of the mgu's issues. He's complaining about that all season long; Ricciardo still has to do that up to this point. It tells me Ricciardo is handling the characteristics of the MGU-K/H better.

Granted, Vettel had more issues then Ricciardo, that is true. So you can't compare those moments. But Vettel still has to outperform Ricciardo on occasions where there weren't issues.

[beelsebob]

So aus engine failure, bahrain quali gearbox malfunction, spain quali gearbox failure, monaco quali ers problems and then gearbox failure are all his head?

Yes, I genuinely do believe the Bahrain gearbox malfunction, and monaco ERS problems were both in his head. Obviously Vettel has had some actual failures (no one was arguing that), but the vast majority of minor glitches he's had, I simply don't believe existed.

[Juzh]

So aus engine failure, bahrain quali gearbox malfunction, spain quali gearbox failure, monaco quali ers problems and then gearbox failure are all his head?

Yes, I genuinely do believe the Bahrain gearbox malfunction, and monaco ERS problems were both in his head. Obviously Vettel has had some actual failures (no one was arguing that), but the vast majority of minor glitches he's had, I simply don't believe existed.

lol. Gearbox malfunction was easily noticeable on his onboards in bahrain. On each shift his head would snap back and fourth massively as he was getting hit in the back.
ERS problems are apparent by him being slowest in the speed speed trap, but had ok speed in sector speed traps.

Facts are tough huh?