Vettel vs Ricciardo 2014

[SpainFAN]

What? After all the work Ricciardo is doing for his team, I can't believe that some are been sour about him getting the results he is getting. Vettel is a great driver, but Ricciardo is "AS" good as Vettel, and his results in the team prove that he is winning him...

Great drive for Ricciardo and sad to see Vettel loose his car.

[univex]

Horner was very clear in 2009 that they would develop the car around Vettel. He was the younger driver and they were looking to sign him up for the long term. Whilst the chassis size started with Webber as the bigger driver, that is where it stopped for him. You don't develop two different engine mappings for each driver for instance.
Like Schumacher some drivers may have a longer accelerator pedal etc.. (i.e. physical items easily adjusted), the computer code is shared. Webber and Vettel had different driving styles particularly for cornering.
All I am saying is this was developed around Vettel's driving as a priority, and given the blown diffuser was driven by the engine this was always going to be in Vettel's favour.
Vettel was being beaten fair and square by Webber in 2010 until the engine upgrade arrived. It had nothing to do with changing the chassis. Now as for Riciardo....?

[Juzh]

Vettel was being beaten fair and square by Webber in 2010 until the engine upgrade arrived. It had nothing to do with changing the chassis. Now as for Riciardo....?

Short memory? Bahrain engine issues, australia brakes failure? Where was webber you might ask? Busy crashing out of the race happily by himself.

[univex]

Vettel was being beaten fair and square by Webber in 2010 until the engine upgrade arrived. It had nothing to do with changing the chassis. Now as for Riciardo....?

Short memory? Bahrain engine issues, australia brakes failure? Where was webber you might ask? Busy crashing out of the race happily by himself.

Spain, Monaco, etc.. then the engine upgrades. What are you talking about? Sure Vettel was beating him after his short run. That is my point. THE CAR WAS DEVELOPED AROUND HIM.
The fact that a driver crashes out when pushing beyond the limit is irrelevant. When you are being beaten you are going to exceed the limits on occasions.

[Juzh]

Vettel was being beaten fair and square by Webber in 2010 until the engine upgrade arrived. It had nothing to do with changing the chassis. Now as for Riciardo....?

Short memory? Bahrain engine issues, australia brakes failure? Where was webber you might ask? Busy crashing out of the race happily by himself.

Spain, Monaco, etc.. then the engine upgrades. What are you talking about? Sure Vettel was beating him after his short run. That is my point. THE CAR WAS DEVELOPED AROUND HIM.
The fact that a driver crashes out when pushing beyond the limit is irrelevant. When you are being beaten you are going to exceed the limits on occasions.

Sorry to spoil your party, but australia and bahrain are before monaco and spain. Webber was nowhere.

[univex]

Sorry to spoil your party, but australia and bahrain are before monaco and spain. Webber was nowhere.

Understand, but obviously I was only referring to the fact that Vettel was being beaten. Webber lost the season, though he did beat Vettel during it.

[JimClarkFan]

Well, he does have the 2 engines broken down. Those are real issues.

Then again, I don't believe one bite out of the mgu's issues. He's complaining about that all season long; Ricciardo still has to do that up to this point. It tells me Ricciardo is handling the characteristics of the MGU-K/H better.

Granted, Vettel had more issues then Ricciardo, that is true. So you can't compare those moments. But Vettel still has to outperform Ricciardo on occasions where there weren't issues.

I think it would be fair to say, that with Daniels DSQ and retirement in the first two races, vs Vettels two retirements luck has been fairly even all season between the two of them.

I think the problems Vettel had in Valencia was down to a chassis change which DR didn't make.

[ringo]

Vettel is being beaten consistently.
He finally has a half decent teammate and after this many races, i think it's fair we re-evaluate where he is on the top driver list. Riciardo is good, but i don't think he's one of the top drawer guys just yet, judging from his time with Vergne. So i'll have to put Vettel down for now, and if Seb has better luck and is able to show what he can do with the RB10 maybe i'll think otherwise. But as it stands Danielle is the #1 driver.

[marcush.]

it´s bejond me how you all can be so sure after a few races. Hamilton had very bleak patches in his time with Button after matching the best of the current Drivers in his ebut season .
These Drivers are all gifted and very well trained not only physically. When Vetels machine does not perform and keeps braking down what can he do? It´s not like his lack of Talent does make his car fragile .I also cannot see Ricciardo wiping the floor with seb -but sure Daniel has a point to prove when Vettel is in a Position to ask for competitve machinery first before exploring Areas not accessible for others.

[PlatinumZealot]

The 2014 Vettel is showing him self to be a car breaker - even more so than Marck Webber - it is no coincidence six races in. These new cars are so complex that the driver needs to know when he cannot push things to the limit. Clearly Vettel does not know that limit. Daniel is driving so well that Vettel is turning up all the dials trying to catch him, and in so doing he is severely affecting the life of the components.

[CHT]

Last season the talk was about vettel getting the best equipment that's why webber car keep breaking down. Now the talk is that vettel is a car breaker?

[alexx_88]

CHT, it's just Red Bull favoring the number 1 driver again

[Cam]

Would you prefer I not show up?

Bringing a proper argument - yes. Just disagreeing with no facts, just for the sake of it, like always, no.

I think your defence of Vettel to be one of someone who likes the guy. Nothing wrong with that, he is a very good driver.

Yes, I like Vettel as a driver, which I have stated again and again. As a person, no. I have many times put that in writing over many years. Not sure how else to convince someone who won't accept written public accessible facts.

There is no hating here. let his fans have their say without being labelled fanboys, and let the people who think otherwise have their say without being labelled haters. Use some sense please people.

There is heaps of hating here and very little counter argument apart from a few poor initial results to back everyones claim against a 4 x WDC. That Ricciardo is doing so well, could, just could, be a sign that he is a very good driver indeed. Ricciardo could be better than a great. But instead of anyone considering this, everyone jumps to say "see, Vettel is shite". All that shows is how narrow minded some people can be.

Ultimately, it's what Red Bull deem to be worthy. They have him under contract still and I dare say will try to keep it that way. Ricciardo's driver contract was just extended to next year too. Here, when there is a very good pool of available drivers and plenty of cash to pay out any contract - they have stuck with them both. But of course, what would Red bull know - what with all the facts at their disposal and all .

[beelsebob]

There is heaps of hating here and very little counter argument apart from a few poor initial results to back everyones claim against a 4 x WDC. That Ricciardo is doing so well, could, just could, be a sign that he is a very good driver indeed. Ricciardo could be better than a great. But instead of anyone considering this, everyone jumps to say "see, Vettel is shite". All that shows is how narrow minded some people can be.

That's because everyone is correctly applying Occam's Razor.

Which is the simpler, (and hence more likely) explanation:
Vettel had an extremely good car 4 years running

or:
Vettel is a great driver on a par with other 4 time world champions
Ricciardo is a great driver, on a par with only the very best in the world, like Schumacher and Senna
Jean Eric Vergne is also a great driver, able to match Ricciardo, Schumacher and Senna

Sorry, but I simply find it much more likely that Vettel's greatness is overblown, than that RedBull have stumbled upon 3 drivers on a par with the very best Formula 1 has ever seen in the space of 7 years.

[MercedesAMGSpy]

Vettel would have finished in front of RIC today, he had some bad luck. Fact is that Ricciardo is Vettel first strong team mate in F1 in my opinion and then we see Vettel has his weaker moments too.