2014 Monaco Grand Prix

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Phillyred wrote:All I can say is that it is definitely gloves off between HAM/ROS after this weekend. You won't see Lewis helping to work on Nico's starts or any similar type of goodwill gesture unless it mutually benefits him.

On a side note, I can only wonder what is going through Vettel's head these days.. Apparently RB once again can't deliver two equally performing cars in the reliability department.
You heard on the radio what's going through Vettel's head. Extreme frustration where he was about to lash out at the team but then thought better of it and backed down. Don't like the guy but really can't blame him for that, to go from domination to being unable to finish must be hugely frustrating and he acknowledged the huge amount of work going in to try and correct the problems.

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Gutted for Kimi, we was looking good for a podium, yes I know Riccardo was quicker but no way would he have got past, just like Riccardo wasn't getting past Lewis, one eyed, one armed, or both, just no way to pass on this track, I wouldn't miss the race if it was wiped from the calander.

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Kimi Really should have pit earlier.
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Kimi was looking handier than alonso today. Maybe sign of things to come for the upcoming tracks.

As for Hamilton's comments, I don't see the big deal. Straight talk is better than Bottling it up inside. He'll cool off by the next race. Nico has won, but he still looks frantic. I think he knows he stole it, and will have to work on similar tactics to secure more wins as the season goes on.
Hamilton sure knows how to pick his teammates. Each one comes equipped with his own special set of tools and soft skills. And these tools have nothing to do with being fast on track. :lol: Nico is a very interesting fellow.. very very hungry.
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Quite brave of Lotus to pit Grosjean again also.
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ringo wrote:Kimi was looking handier than alonso today. Maybe sign of things to come for the upcoming tracks.

As for Hamilton's comments, I don't see the big deal. Straight talk is better than Bottling it up inside. He'll cool off by the next race. Nico has won, but he still looks frantic. I think he knows he stole it, and will have to work on similar tactics to secure more wins as the season goes on.
Hamilton sure knows how to pick his teammates. Each one comes equipped with his own special set of tools and soft skills. And these tools have nothing to do with being fast on track. :lol: Nico is a very interesting fellow.. very very hungry.
Problem with Lewis is that sometime he talk too much and that sort of put unnecessary pressure on himself. Saying things like will deal with it like senna is a tall order for himself and these are things which really unnecessary.

Looking at his body language today I am guessing that if Lewis doesn't win the Wdc this season he might quit merc.

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Unc1eM0nty wrote:Gutted for Kimi, we was looking good for a podium, yes I know Riccardo was quicker but no way would he have got past, just like Riccardo wasn't getting past Lewis, one eyed, one armed, or both, just no way to pass on this track, I wouldn't miss the race if it was wiped from the calander.
Yeah, Kimi easily had P3 in the books but then got hit by a Marussia during the safety car period from behind that punctured his tyre :(

Pretty much downhill from there.

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@ CHT I don't interpret it as that. He's playing mind games. His words are not for him to live up to in this case.
It's for Rosberg to mull over.
The Senna thing was to simply scare Rosberg. From the locks up in the race, Rosberg was on edge.

I'm never one to say drivers talk too much. We aren't in their position or have a feel for the atmosphere at the track. He's probably made the most taunts here, and i didn't see it affect his driving today. 2011 was the only year i've seen his driving really been affected by his state of mind, and that was more to with redbull's dominance.
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ringo wrote:@ CHT I don't interpret it as that. He's playing mind games. His words are not for him to live up to in this case.
It's for Rosberg to mull over.
The Senna thing was to simply scare Rosberg. From the locks up in the race, Rosberg was on edge.

I'm never one to say drivers talk too much. We aren't in their position or have a feel for the atmosphere at the track. He's probably made the most taunts here, and i didn't see it affect his driving today. 2011 was the only year i've seen his driving really been affected by his state of mind, and that was more to with redbull's dominance.
Rosberg has got all of Lewis telemetry so there is really nothing to be scare. Moreover this is Monaco, nico home race, where overtaking is difficult.

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CHT wrote:Problem with Lewis is that sometime he talk too much and that sort of put unnecessary pressure on himself. Saying things like will deal with it like senna is a tall order for himself and these are things which really unnecessary.

Looking at his body language today I am guessing that if Lewis doesn't win the Wdc this season he might quit merc.
Don't be daft. Mercedes would definitely listen to him and make changes to make him more comfortable so that won't happen.

I think his only real gripe is that similar to McLaren in their effort make things "fair" the team can end up blunting Hamilton's performance, in his eyes, through giving away the secrets to his speed or dulling some strategy options. But I think he understands that this goes both ways and he needs to work harder on taking advantage of the benefits it brings him. Given his displeasure he may push to share less telemetry between the two halves of the corner (such as only sharing tyre life and basic setup rather than corner by corner data), and Mercedes may have to give in in order to keep the peace. With their advantage as it is it would be hard to argue it essential to continue open access.

Lewis definitely looked a little faster today and had he been in front would probably have been able to pull a gap to Nico at a tenth or two per lap. Next race is Canada which should play to Hamilton's strengths, he'll regroup and aim to seize the initiative. Another positive is that Mercedes are clearly going to be fastest at every track, barring major change with one of the cars, with little genuine comfort for Red Bull. I can't see any track suiting the Red Bull more than Monaco, relative to Mercedes, so they've really got their work cut out. Reliability is obviously still a huge concern for them and I'd put money on Vettel taking a grid penalty sooner rather than later due to going over the engine limit (from memory he's already on his 4th set of control electronics).

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ringo wrote:@ CHT I don't interpret it as that. He's playing mind games. His words are not for him to live up to in this case.
It's for Rosberg to mull over.
The Senna thing was to simply scare Rosberg. From the locks up in the race, Rosberg was on edge.

I'm never one to say drivers talk too much. We aren't in their position or have a feel for the atmosphere at the track. He's probably made the most taunts here, and i didn't see it affect his driving today. 2011 was the only year i've seen his driving really been affected by his state of mind, and that was more to with redbull's dominance.
Rosberg was definitely in a bit of trouble that first stint and were it not for the safety car (if if if) then we could have had a different result.

But as you say very very importantly Lewis didn't show any sign of frustration or anger in his driving. There was no desperate lunge, banging of wheels, or evidence of ragged driving. He was driving patiently and with control, apply near constant pressure on the car ahead without damaging his tyres.

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Do you guys think that JB will get a penalty for causing a collision with Perez?

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Im not sure where JB was meant to go?
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Godius wrote:Do you guys think that JB will get a penalty for causing a collision with Perez?
No, but I do think there's a fair chance Perez will get a penalty.

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myurr wrote:
CHT wrote:Problem with Lewis is that sometime he talk too much and that sort of put unnecessary pressure on himself. Saying things like will deal with it like senna is a tall order for himself and these are things which really unnecessary.

Looking at his body language today I am guessing that if Lewis doesn't win the Wdc this season he might quit merc.
Don't be daft. Mercedes would definitely listen to him and make changes to make him more comfortable so that won't happen.

I think his only real gripe is that similar to McLaren in their effort make things "fair" the team can end up blunting Hamilton's performance, in his eyes, through giving away the secrets to his speed or dulling some strategy options. But I think he understands that this goes both ways and he needs to work harder on taking advantage of the benefits it brings him. Given his displeasure he may push to share less telemetry between the two halves of the corner (such as only sharing tyre life and basic setup rather than corner by corner data), and Mercedes may have to give in in order to keep the peace. With their advantage as it is it would be hard to argue it essential to continue open access.

Lewis definitely looked a little faster today and had he been in front would probably have been able to pull a gap to Nico at a tenth or two per lap. Next race is Canada which should play to Hamilton's strengths, he'll regroup and aim to seize the initiative. Another positive is that Mercedes are clearly going to be fastest at every track, barring major change with one of the cars, with little genuine comfort for Red Bull. I can't see any track suiting the Red Bull more than Monaco, relative to Mercedes, so they've really got their work cut out. Reliability is obviously still a huge concern for them and I'd put money on Vettel taking a grid penalty sooner rather than later due to going over the engine limit (from memory he's already on his 4th set of control electronics).
I believe Lewis head is now filled with load of conspiracy theories that Mercedes favor the German driver. For today's race I won't be surprise that there was actually a team order from merc to prevent them from any wheel to wheel racing and they are only giving the pit stop window for over taking. This could be the reason why Lewis engage in low discussion about pit stop during the race.

Whatever the case the next race in Canada is going to be exciting to watch. Hopefully Ferrari can close the gap.