Vettel vs Ricciardo 2014

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If JEV was so great - why didn't he get the Red Bull seat?

Edit: Comparing JEV to Ricciardo is a non-starter. JEV has had plenty of time to impress, and did't - simple. Looking back, you can hardly find any positive words about JEV from Red Bull. In contrast, Red Bull has been glowing about Ricciardo from very early on.
Horner 2011 wrote:"(Ricciardo) is very much on our radar, He's a really talented youngster, a very gifted driver who has earned this opportunity to make his Formula One debut.

"Certainly the work he has done for us in the young driver test and in the simulator has been very, very impressive.

"This is the first step on the ladder for him. He's still very young, but it's an opportunity that has been presented to him and it's down to him to grab it.

"Obviously there is a learning curve to go through, but as we see with these young drivers they develop very quickly. Just look at Paul di Resta, look at Sebastian (Vettel).

"It will be interesting to see how he now progresses."

"Daniel has no experience of grand prix racing, he has an awful lot to learn, and HRT and Toro Rosso are the best environment for him to do that, as Sebastian did with Toro Rosso in 2007 and 2008,He needs to develop, it would be wrong to rush him through. He now has to prove himself in Formula One after proving himself in the lower categories. As I say, he is very talented, but it's one thing doing it in testing, it's another doing it under pressure. But we'll certainly be keeping a very close eye on him."
They have been looking at their drivers for years. Red Bull knew exactly who was better and why. And they've been proven right - again. Ricciardo has grabbed it with both hands and is proving their systems work.
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I don't understand why a lot of posters seem hell bent on saying Ric and Jev were close. I guess to make Vettels struggles seem worse.

If you were paying close attention to the battle at Torro Rosso, there was a massive gap between them both. Jev would more often than not have an extra set of fresh tyres for the race hence why he closed up some times - it's a lot easier to dig down when your starting on the top soil than if your already in the clay - if you know what i mean.

Ric was more often than not half a second(!) quicker in Q.
Jev was destroyed by Ric.

The fact RB have kept Jev on despite the thorough shellacking he received shows just how much they think of Ric.

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IMO it's prolly a bit of Europe vs the World. :P
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rayden wrote:The fact RB have kept Jev on despite the thorough shellacking he received shows just how much they think of Ric.
This is what I too think. JEV isn't a bad driver, in fact he gets constant good reports. Look at the Autosprt Rating from Monaco:
Rating: 9

Vergne had an outstanding weekend. Watching him hurl the Toro Rosso around the tight streets was one of the most spectacular sights of the weekend and he always looked likely to make Q3.

Drove well in the race and held sixth place after the second safety car, but a cack-handed unsafe release from his pitstop into the path of Magnussen meant that a penalty was inevitable.

That, and his eventual exhaust problem while chasing Bianchi, should not take the shine of a superb performance.
In fact, the only drivers to rate equal or better was, yep, Ricciardo on 9 and Bianchi on 10.

Ricciardo is a class above - and he's showing that class against Vettel now. While it's caught the media by surprise (and Vettel), every report from those working with him closely say's 'no surprise at all'. All we're seeing is Ricciardo finally in a car that can demonstrate his talent - not just driving, but setup, and team interaction as well.
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I think the problem with Vettel is motivation. The man has won 4 WC's, scores of GP's. poles, etc. He knows better than anybody else that he does not have an engine to compete with Mercedes and the best he could hope for, is 3rd at best. For Ricciardo 3rd is fantastic and he is out of his skin at his achievement, but Vettel? Give him adequate power behind him in his Red Bull to be able to compete for the win and you will see Vettel return to form.

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synvex wrote:I think the problem with Vettel is motivation. The man has won 4 WC's, scores of GP's. poles, etc. He knows better than anybody else that he does not have an engine to compete with Mercedes and the best he could hope for, is 3rd at best. For Ricciardo 3rd is fantastic and he is out of his skin at his achievement, but Vettel? Give him adequate power behind him in his Red Bull to be able to compete for the win and you will see Vettel return to form.
Well then how come Fred and Lewis always manage to shine in a slower car? They're both champs with scores of race win.
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*edit*
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Yes... you posted that a page ago, and have now replaced it with *edit*... What's your point?

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beelsebob wrote:
Yes... you posted that a page ago, and have now replaced it with *edit*... What's your point?
dp
unless you're wondering what the point is of having 1400km fewer track time?

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mnmracer wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
Yes... you posted that a page ago, and have now replaced it with *edit*... What's your point?
dp
unless you're wondering what the point is of having 1400km fewer track time?
A double post that you spent so long between clicking the button, that two other people were able to post in that time?

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mnmracer wrote: dp
That is something sexual right? :shock:

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beelsebob wrote:A double post that you spent so long between clicking the button, that two other people were able to post in that time?
what's your point?
do you really want to go off-topic over.. what?
George-Jung wrote:
mnmracer wrote: dp
That is something sexual right? :shock:
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So? A 4 time champ shouldn't need equal track time to better the new guy especially since we're talking in the context that Vettel does have 4000km in the car.
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Pierce89 wrote:
So? A 4 time champ shouldn't need equal track time to better the new guy especially since we're talking in the context that Vettel does have 4000km in the car.
You can have your opinion, even it is unsubstantiated, but this thread was running shockingly low on facts.
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