Mclaren Mercedes 2014

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If they really want to be disruptive they need to do something that is not Newey, to outflank the current leaders. That's the route that Brawn started on with Merc by going for well integrated power, suspension & aero to beat Newey's aero-is-king-and-I-don't-care-if-KERS-overheats-because-I'll-take-it-off-the-car.

The need to be different to get ahead can be seen in how the teams are run too. RB went for team orders, Merc have gone for two matched drivers. RB sponsor crazy sports and student parties, but they are run by people in the shadows. Meanwhile staid cooperate grey (any colour as long as it is grey) Merc are being run by passionate in your face people unafraid to speak their minds.

Yes I know I've used stereotypes but you get my drift.

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richard_leeds wrote:
mclaren_mircea wrote:Such a mistake that he didn't let Daimler to to have the majorities of the shares. We would have been part of the big Mercedes family.
That would have meant the end of the McLaren name in favour of the hype about the "silver arrows" returning to F1. The first race win would be lauded as the first win for the team since 1867 or whenever. Remember Red Bull were preceded as WDC and WCC by the team from Brackley, but that has been airbrushed from history now. Can you imagine Dennis letting his life's work disappear like that?

"You" would have been in the F1 bin along with other names that have been usurped by flags of convenience.
Mercedes would have never abandoned Mclaren's name and Mclaren's heritage/history. They would have remained Mclaren but they would have Daimler as master. It wold have been a far better option than to have arab sheiks. The funds, the resources from Stuttgard, Brixworth HPP would have mean a golden future for Mclaren's. Even an integrated automotive division would have been possible as a super car division of Daimler. It's the same with Lamborghini and Vokswagen Group. Mclaren would have had their own history only that their parent company would have been the germans of Daimler. What sens has Ron Dennis strategy with Mumtakalat desperate to sell all their shares, and his failled tentatives to lure a chinese billionaire, no title sponsor? Having the germans from Daimler as Mclaren's owners would have meant Mclaren's autonomy and it's exclusivity because they represent a sector that only Ferrari, Lamborghini have. That charismatic DNA of the pure super cars, something that AMG doesn't have in their DNA. I'm sure they would have represent the cronwn's pearl of Daimler. But a slightly less automomy compared with Ron's vision of Mclaren would have had more benefits for Mclaren's future as a racing team.

It was confirmed today that Honda won't buy into the team. So I seriously doubt the rumours that Honda would invest 100 millions every year in the team without having no shares. It would be crazy and wast of money on something that it's not practically yours. The sponsors are in loved with Mclaren after many years of no title and two subsequent years of total faillure. So, from where might come the money? Mumtakalat wants to leave Mclaren and the Bahrain economy it's not going to good after the civil unrest started in 2011. Mansour Ossijeh is very ill, and Ron Dennis is not even a Dieter Materchitz. Peter Lim declined to expand his participation in the Mclaren Group outside the automotive devision. So what future has Mclaren? No title sponsor, no billionaire on board, no automaker behind (Honda has no reason to pump that sum of money in something that it's not their property, giving Mclaren engines without money it's more than decent) Can they fight with FIAT/Ferrari or Daimler regarding the resources, facilities, money? I doubt it :(

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"You" would have been in the F1 bin along with other names that have been usurped by flags of convenience."

What do you want to say by this?

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Mclaren_mircea I see where you are coming from but martin Whitmarsh last year said live on tv the that he has been given financial firepower from a new partner to lure new staff with high salaries. It was around the time the Alonso-Mclaren rumours first started.

Mclaren will be fine, honda won't invest into a new engine without expecting to win and they know you don't win with just a great engine alone.
Just a fan's point of view

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...and now the denials:

http://www.f1today.net/en/news/honda-no ... uy-mclaren?

I can't say I'm surprised: it didn't add up. This take on it, however, makes much more sense:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/05/m ... ase-stake/

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mclaren_mircea wrote:"You" would have been in the F1 bin along with other names that have been usurped by flags of convenience."

What do you want to say by this?
He's saying that you as Mclaren fan would lose your team to become Mercedes. Just like Brawn fans will have to put up with the first championship since 1955 or whenever it was, when they know their team really blitzed the field in 2009.
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970

“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher

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Usually where there is smoke there is a fire!

Mclaren is own by three groups and one is very ill and the other been stating they were not happy with leadership(that was fixed with Dennis back at the wheel) and their return on investment(Mclaren Automotive was in the red until the P1 but what happens next year with the P1 gone).

Without Honda's money this year,Mclaren would be hurting!

The Japanese doesn't give money freely unless their getting something in return!

1)Looks like they got Mclaren to go to Le Mans.
2)Working on future production cars(becoming Honda's Tier 1 performance branch) but Honda would want equity.

So money always comes with a cost!

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theWPTformula wrote:terabytes of computing power
terabytes is not a measure of computational power. It's a measure of digital data storage capacity.
theWPTformula wrote: and streams of wind tunnel figures
Which may or may not be representative of how the car actually behaves on track.
Duke wrote:
mclaren111 wrote:I am now also of the opinion that this is a transition year
About the 5th in a row now?
No, 2010 was not a transition year. 2011 onwards sort of was largely due to the year-on-year (sometimes in-season) changes in the Pirelli compounds.

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Sasha wrote:Usually where there is smoke there is a fire!

Mclaren is own by three groups and one is very ill and the other been stating they were not happy with leadership(that was fixed with Dennis back at the wheel) and their return on investment(Mclaren Automotive was in the red until the P1 but what happens next year with the P1 gone).

Without Honda's money this year,Mclaren would be hurting!

The Japanese doesn't give money freely unless their getting something in return!

1)Looks like they got Mclaren to go to Le Mans.
2)Working on future production cars(becoming Honda's Tier 1 performance branch) but Honda would want equity.

So money always comes with a cost!
There have been plenty of occasions when engine manufacturers have had works deals with teams without having any ownership or "getting something in return" as you put it. Williams, for instance, had such deals with Honda and Renault. The reason they do it is marketing - if they're successful, they hope to sell more cars.

As for McLaren Automotive only making a profit because of the P1 - do you have the slightest evidence of this?

They're a new startup business. It's the nature of new businesses that they make a loss at first. That's why they were making a loss, and now they're making a profit. They continue to expand into new markets and new product lines.

Finally, McLaren at Le Mans will be a GT car, and therefore almost certainly powered by a McLaren engine. That's got nothing to do with Honda. If you think it does, again could you provide some evidence?

You do realise that Honda have already denied any intention to buy into McLaren, don't you?

Where's there smoke, there's a desperate journalist making up a story.

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Lycoming wrote:
theWPTformula wrote:terabytes of computing power
terabytes is not a measure of computational power. It's a measure of digital data storage capacity.
theWPTformula wrote: and streams of wind tunnel figures
Which may or may not be representative of how the car actually behaves on track.
Apologies for my poor IT language, was meant to be a figure of speech more than anything! Perhaps I should've said "teraFLOPS of computing power"? I don't do computers...

Granted, wind tunnel figures are not necessarily a true performance indicator but they will know their strengths and weaknesses from the data. The same goes to all teams.

Maybe this should go in the team thread rather than the car thread.

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Don't forget that the 2012 MP4-27 (in the hands of Lewis at least) was probably the fastest car throughout the season. Discounting the pit-stop calamities and the fact that Hamilton had to retire six times in the latter half of the year for a variety of reliability/idiocy/Maldonado based reasons the car would have likely won the drivers title if not the constructors title too.

Anyway, I feel we should get back on topic to avoid the wrath of the mods ...

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theWPTformula wrote:
Lycoming wrote:
theWPTformula wrote:terabytes of computing power
terabytes is not a measure of computational power. It's a measure of digital data storage capacity.
theWPTformula wrote: and streams of wind tunnel figures
Which may or may not be representative of how the car actually behaves on track.
Apologies for my poor IT language, was meant to be a figure of speech more than anything! Perhaps I should've said "teraFLOPS of computing power"? I don't do computers...
Close, but no cigar, teraFLOPS is a singular, teraFLOPSes if you mean the unit of floating point computing power. teraFLOPs if you meant the unit of floating point computing work.

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I found something interesting.... Paddy Lowe said that for Canada Mercedes AMg F1 will have have an extensive update composed from aerodynamic updates and engine updates. Here I want to arrive. Given the fact that Mclaren is switching to Honda next year but the regulations speaks clear about the same specification of engine for all the teams that are using Mercedes engine, how the things are working? Will Mclaren get all these engine updates that Mercedes works team and other client teams receive, or they will not receive the latest updates of the engine because of fear for Honda?
Last year Toto Wolff said that the regulations are clear, but in an interview at the begining of the year he said that the relation with Mclaren will change in the second half of the year. So, what do you think? Will Mclaren receive the latest updates on the engine, or the regulations doesn't include that ?

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^ I think McLaren will get those engine updates. Mercedes just won't tell them what the modifications and updates are.

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beelsebob wrote:Close, but no cigar, teraFLOPS is a singular, teraFLOPSes if you mean the unit of floating point computing power. teraFLOPs if you meant the unit of floating point computing work.
Haha, next time I just won't mention any computing vocabulary! ;)